[Gamelover366]

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My family and I are moving in a couple weeks and I we will be renovating an existing home theater in the house. Our current house has a home theater which was small but unforgettable......"the eagles nest".


Our new house has a bonus room above the double garage.
Front wall




Rear wall



Renovation has begun.....
Rear wall



Closer look at rear wall...rated 55 db.





Front wall....little trim painting started



Little info....
50 square meters after rear wall built....7.75 x 6.5 meters
Daloc soundproof door
Matte Black paint
300 cm x 150 screen
Black fabric in front part of room to control ambient light...sketch up below




Gear list....
Procella P610 LCR
Procella P6 for surrounds
Procella P15 subwoofer
JVC X35 Projector
Intega DHC 80.2 processor
Sherbourne 7 x 350 watt amplifier
Emotiva UPA 1 x 200 watt amplifier
Xilica DSP
Svanå AD 20, AD40, and Wing acoustic treatment
Invaluable resources: Pär Hörnell of Tiwia and Anders and Gerben of Procella Audio.

Background:
My old Home theater room was amazing and consisted of Procella P6 all around and a P15. Panasonic AE4000 PJ as well. Pär (and his team...Jöcke...Micke..) and Procella Audio made the dream of an Eagle's Nest become a reality.

Hopes:
New room will be BETTER!

Will try to keep the thread updated with pics and progress when I can, but I am suer busy just now with the move just 2 weeks away. More to come.

Redigerat av Gamelover366, 21 May 2013 - 04:56.

[Gamelover366]

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Few more pics of the room coming along.....as well as some lovely boxes of gear. P10si's not pictured.....but incoming!

[Gamelover366]

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Acoustic treatment set up and ready to be sprayed by painter...

[Mr_Empa]

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Looks nice! Have you had an acoustical engineer to decide which changes needs to be done in the room?
Also looked at the spec for the Procella speakers and did notice that they are assembled in Sweden, which (for a Swede) is fun

[Gamelover366]

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No acoustic engineer. Yeah, I am a proud Swedish citizen now!

[Gamelover366]

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Dead tired.....crazy week with many late nights getting ready for the move this Saturday. I did steal a little time and adjust the shelves in my AV rack make space for the new gear (Sherbourne 7 x 350 and Xilica DSP). Also snapped a few pics. The room is really dark, so pics look pretty bad....but anyway...

Also got a 16 amp circuit run to the back of the room. So now the room has a dedicated 16 and a 10 that it shares with a guest room and a closet.

[Gamelover366]

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Some of the gear in the room. The concrete block is 40 x 20 x 4 (cm). So I will have 4 blocks for each P610...2 side by side and 2 high. That will get the speakers 8 cm off the ground and that makes the center of the tweeter approximately 72.5 cm off the ground. That is my ear height when I watch movies...I lay back and put my feet up.

The roll down screen is fully pulled down in this picture...and I have attached the bottom rod into the floor. I will cover the screen with black fabric up to a height of 79 cm off the floor. That will be how high the top of the P610 reaches. ( I figured 1 cm for rubber discs under the speakers).

[Gamelover366]

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New member of the family arrived today! Special thanks to Joacim Eriksson of wiktors.se.

[Gamelover366]

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P10si are in the house!




Also Svanå Miljö Teknik is building my Wings this week. Also will be getting some 25 mm and 50 mm absorption from Svanå Miljö Teknik. I am also using my AD20's and AD40's from Svanå that I had in my last Home Theater.

Lastly, Pär Hörnell will be coming in June to deliver some more goodies and to measure the room acoustically to help me find the best spot for the LCR and subwoofer. He is also the mastermind behind the placement of the acoustic treatment, and I will be the one actually putting the treatment up on the wall. I would be fumbling in the dark without his guidance and help.

[Gamelover366]

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New twist......Matts himself will be coming to my house next Friday to do some type of acoustic measurement and then consult me as to how he feels the room should be acoustically treated. I am extremely excited and very interested to see how he works and what it is he does. Will keep you all updated....

[Gamelover366]

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Here are my exclusive Home Theater chairs......errrr I mean my Ikea couch and foot stool.



Procella P15 reporting for duty!

[Gamelover366]

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Tonight I made my black bomull (fleece cotton) curtains that will be used for masking 1.78:1, 1:85:1, and of course the oldie but goodie 1.33:1!!!. The room had curtains on each side of the screen, so I just took apart the old curtains and used the hardware with the fabric I bought. It was a bit of a pain (like most projects), but I am happy with the result. Below are pictures of what 1.33:1 would look like masked and also the more common 1.78:1. You need to imagine the bottom of the screen permamently masked from the floor to the bottom of the curtains. I will mask that with the same fabric.





The fabric had edges that were too ragged, so I had to fold the edge under which helped quite a lot. Two picture are the before and after close ups, and one is the after a bit farther away.






The fabric does a very good job at not reflecting light. While it is a step below velvet it is much cheaper and gives me a "good enough" improvement over the ultra matte black paint in the room. I also needed a lot of the fabric since I plan on using it on the front third of the room in most places (ceiling, side walls, screen walls, and floor). Below is a couple pictures that show the relative difference versus the ultra matte black paint.

[Gamelover366]

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Finished the permament masking for the bottom of the screen. The picture below shows the side masks set for 1.78 :1. The screen (with permament bottom masking in place is about 320 cm x 152 cm (2.1:1). I mask 24 cm on each side for 1.78:1. For 2.35:1 the side masks will be not used and their will be about 8 cm black horizontal bars top and bottom.




Closer up....



If you are wondering why I am using black fabric.....it is to reduce ambient light so that the low black floor of the JVC PJ can be appreciated

[Gamelover366]

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Making some progress now. Very tired, but also excited. Been working at night after kids go sleep. You can see the 45mm x 45 mm wood on both side walls. Horizontal wood and below surround will get Svanå AD20 and the bigger square towards the front of the room will get Isover Piano Ljudskiva plus black fabric. Surrounds mounted. All speaker wire run. Tomorrow night black paint time and then mount AD20!!!

All this is the brainchild of Matts of Svanå and Pär Hörnell. I am just the hourly labor!

Matts visit was incredible. He is very personable, knowledgable, and down to earth. He approaches things from a scientific perspective, and I really like that. He was an incredible help, and had many idea that I am using. He even told me exactly how to construct things and which materials to use. You can see a couple pics of the Wings below. They are even more beautiful in person. I will have 12 wings in all.

Pär got a new microphone setup that is pretty special I guess. He is excited about the acquisition and if it is up and running by this Thursday I may be his fist Guinea Pig! Although he has probably been playing with it in his own HT.

[Gamelover366]

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Pär Hörnell is here today with his new microphone measuring kit fresh from HAA certification! I am the first client. Super excited.

Here are some pics!!

[Gamelover366]

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Room is coming along nicely! I got the PJ mounted and adjusted tilt, roll, and yaw. Always a fun 3 hours:rolleyes:. However I got it to within a mm of square, so I am happy. The JVC is gorgeous and the picture is just what I was hoping....engaging, contrasty, and sharp.

Pär Hörnell's visit was a huge success and exceeded my expectations. He used his new advanced HAA microphones and measuring equipment to find the best placement of the LCR and subwoofer as well as optimize the crossover between the satellites and subwoofer. He also used his highly trained ears and his acoustic knowledge to make a couple predictions regarding placement that were amazingly enough correct. I cannot tell you how cool his calibration setup is, it really must be seen to be believed. There were a number of measurements he did ranging from getting a read on the background noise, finding the room modes, etc. I cannot remember them all but it sure was a lot. The best part was that he explained along the way exactly what he was doing and explained the results. That is very important to me. I will also say that the Xilica 3060 is a very powerful tool that is very easy to use. Thanks to Anders of Procella for the help with the dsp programs.

After we were done Pär played a demo DVD he made. It was a fantastic mix of various types of scenes from a surprisingly eclectic selection of films. I will get right to the conclusion...it was simply the best sound I have ever heard in my life. The entire day culminating in such a fantastic expectation exceeding result was too good to be true. The room actually moved quite a bit, and the P610's are an audio T-Rex!!! Weight was the feeling that kept pulsing through my body as the P610's detonated off yet another veil that cloaks film soundtracks due to less than perfect playback systems. I cannot believe the power and bass that resides in the movies Pär had on his demo disc. They weren't even super hero movies!!! Truly impressive beyond words.

After Pär's demo disc I pulled out the Prison escape scene from Kung Fu panda (about the 31 minute mark). Any demo that doesn't include this scene shouldn't be able to look itself in the mirror at night.

Here are a few pics. Among other things you will see the third 4 cm stone added under P610's and that I have glued the stone so that they don't slowly vibrate apart or move.

Next comes the Wings from Svanå Miljo Teknik, I will mount my AD40's (from Svanå as well) on the ceiling, I will more absorption panels for front wall, and finally play with a little black fabric and paint. Hopefully I will be done in 3-4 weeks.

[Gamelover366]

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Made shirts for my P610's. Since they are so close to the screen they increase the ambient light. This takes away from the contrast of the image. I also made a black fabric border for one side of the screen. Other side will have to be another day. I watched the first half of Lincoln last night, and this movie has some phenomenal dialogue (Lincoln is played by Daniel Day Lewis....movie directed by Spielberg). Great movie so far, and the dialogue has never been so engrossing and intimate as with the P610's. Every nuance of Daniel Day Lewis's voice resonates with you and this movie is an acoustic demo for dialogue. Really great. The mid bass whallop of the P610 is also uncanny. Pics below.

[Gamelover366]

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Frames filled with Isover Piano Ljudskiva Insulation on the front wall on both sides of the screen. They are ready for black fabric. Not tonight however.....A night with the wife and something from Netflix.

[Gamelover366]

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It has been a while since I posted because I have been busy watching movies, spending time with family and working in the HT. I have to put SMT's Wings on the back wall, put some half tubes stuffed with insulation on the side angled walls, put up some more black fabric, do some touch up painting, and then I should be about done.

I have put up SMT's AD40 on the ceiling......5 clusters for first reflections, and then a halo of sorts around the listening area. I have put up more black fabric, specifically on the absorber panels on the right and left side of the front screen wall. Tonight I put up one of my Wings just to test out my plan to mount them on the wall. Worked like a charm. I have 11 more coming Friday.

I have included some pictures you may enjoy taking a peek at. As far as the gear in the room I am absolutely stunned by the raw power of the P610. Procella did a phenomenal job with this speaker. I am enjoying to the extreme having the LCR P610's crossed over at 40 hz delivering 3 sources of bass that washes over the listening area. I am a real bass head, so this upgrade from the P6 to the P610 was a HOMERUN!!! The structural integrity of the room is no match for the P610 /P15 combo as the entire room moves. This in fact I love, as it really makes movies like an amusement park ride!!! The Wings are gorgeous, super light and easy to work with, and mounting them required just 2 bits of 45 cm x 45 cm wood, 2 L brackets, some monteringslim (construction glue), and a few screws.

[Gamelover366]

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I have mounted 12 wings (8 on back wall including 1 on the door.....and 4 on the side angled walls). I have also put up 3 tubes, and have 20 more to go! The pictures will give you and idea, but unfortunately the pictures don't come out very good and the room looks much cooler in person. I still have to touch up paint, where I will paint the metal brackets and such, so the metal brackets do stick out like a sore thumb in the pictures. I will watch Transformers 3 with Wifey tonight. Looking forward to hearing the room with the wings mounted.

[Gamelover366]

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Tubes up. Tomorrow night will put little insulation inside them and cap one end. My wife clapped while standing at the front of the room while I sat in the MLP and it was amazing....absolutely zero echo. the echo was horrible before the acoustic treatment. Very exciting. Before the tubes (just wings) I watched Transformers 3 and the improved clarity of dialogue and all other sounds as well was very noticeable. I was also getting an hissing sound off the back wall when listening to level setting tones......all gone now! Few pics....

[Gamelover366]

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I am nearing the end of my HT journey....the end is in sight! It has been a real challenge as I am not a real carpenter or great with tools. However having a strict and limited budget with this HT I had to do the work myself. Matts has made all this possible by his DIY Wing (picture below) which is an affordable version of the Wing family for folks like myself with a limited budget and willing to assemble them yourself.....very easy to assemble by the way. I put up all the acoustic treatment myself and I am amazed I didn't totally screw something up or break something!!!


Matts even gave me some reinforced cardboard tubes he had laying around in his garage! It is very refreshing to meet someone like Matts who would have a double PHD in acoustics if they were giving them out and yet he is an incredibly down to earth guy who loves movies and HT as much as me. However I have more Blu rays than him.

If I had an unlimited budget I would definitely have Matts create a one of a kind masterpiece like this one! Ah well, one can dream.

Redigerat av Gamelover366, 11 July 2013 - 18:41.

[jokoloko]

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I have been following this thread for sometime, and its a great HT setup! You mention you are on a tight budget, might I ask what the total cost (financially, not timewise) will be once completed? If you dont feel like posting that here, feel free to send me a PM
I am really jealous of this.

[Gamelover366]

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I thought I would post once more with some final observations and thoughts. Things sound unbelievable. The audyssey pro calibration came out amazing after many failed attempts. Audyssey with dynamic EQ engaged was over boosting certain frequencies, but I finally solved it. The sound is as close to perfection for me personally as I have ever heard. I was skeptical of upgrading to the P610 from the P6 because I had read so many negative comments about running a crossover below 80 hz. I am a converted true believer now. I finally understand the benefits. Imagine a scene where there is bass coming from the LCR and the sub simultaneoulsy......now the bass comes from 4 sources (sub, LCR) rather than just 1 source (sub). This makes for an unbelievable experience that is more in line with how audio engineers mixed the movie originally. The P610's are beasts and movies shine with room filling pulsating smooth bass. Imagine a scene where there is a 30 -60 hz moment in the LCR, with a 80 hz crossover you are getting that mainly from the sub with very little from the LCR. However with the P610's crossed at 40 hz you are getting a beautiful wall of bass from the LCR and the subwoofer!

So......thanks for reading the thread. I had fun sharing! Now I am signing off to beging re-watching all my movies again! Take care. If you have any questions or are ever in Örebro Sweden and want to stop in for a quick listen...hit me up at [email protected]

I can't forget to give one more big thank you to Procella Audio, Pär, and Matts!

[Unregisteredd27f924d]

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WOW... Mera bilder...

[Gamelover366]

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There are no more pictures...sorry. I am now done with the working phase and purely enjoying! The room has really exceeded my expectations. I fall more in love with the P610 crossed at 40 hz more every movie!

[Zartok]

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Quite a few of the latter pictures have gone missing. Can we see them somewhere else? Quite a cinema you've got there i must say!

[robert293]

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Nice

[xtraljud]

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Really nice ...

Procella P6 sounds amazing in HT..

[MattiasBGD]

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Incredible work tumbs up!

All that acoustic material makes it look like something from a dark scenery from Starwars Can´t even imaging how good such a room can sound.

[Hays]

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This is amazing. I will dream about your HT tonight.

Can we have a picture from the back of the room with a movie playing. To relay see the darkness. I got so exited about building my own perfect home theater I'm going to save up for Procella right now.

[Gamelover366]

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Thanks for the positive feedback. My family and I are really enjoying the HT. I will post a picture of a movie on with the lights off.

[Gamelover366]

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Thanks for the positive feedback. My family and I are really enjoying the HT. I will post a picture of a movie on with the lights off.

Sorry for the delay. Picture taken with iPhone 5s no flash.

Movie is Punisher with Thomas Jane and John Travolta. A great movie.

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Redigerat av Gamelover366, 26 May 2014 - 21:02.

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Procella Audio performs the first public demo of Dolby Atmos in Asia!


Seeing as Atmos is a not yet mainstream, maybe this demo and more like it can help push it there.

Link to Gerben Van Duyl's (co-founder Procella Audio) post about Procella Audio giving the first ever public home cinema demos of Dolby Atmos in Asia!:

http://www.avsforum....ml#post26489841



Direct link to detailed info and videos:
https://www.facebook...112515948779692


The Atmos setup looks awesome! I am jealous!