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Först LG sen Samsung on nu: 
En fin dag idag
"Lastly, for finished, will know that clan HD-DVD is proud to count in his rows two new allies, and not of least since it acts of Hitachi and Kenwood. The two popular marks in Europe, but twice elsewhere, thus give their support for this format, which is of good news for Toshiba.
We will say some to you more very soon." översättning via babel fish
http://www.cinemotio...n.php?iinfo=120
n more to come
En fin dag idag
"Lastly, for finished, will know that clan HD-DVD is proud to count in his rows two new allies, and not of least since it acts of Hitachi and Kenwood. The two popular marks in Europe, but twice elsewhere, thus give their support for this format, which is of good news for Toshiba.
We will say some to you more very soon." översättning via babel fish
http://www.cinemotio...n.php?iinfo=120
n more to come
Postad 14 April 2007 - 23:07
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Also, BD+ can detect tampering to a player, refusing to play once any manipulation to hardware is discovered.
Sony, among other studios, believes BD+ allows them to produce secure, yet consumer-friendly product, because only the hacker is punished for comprising copy-protection.
“Sony has been focusing more on BD+ than before the attacks occurred,” said Don Eklund, executive VP of advanced technology for SPHE. “Still, work needs to be done in terms of verifying the BD+ discs on all of the players and in sorting out the production process when authoring the titles.”
Nu börjar det...
http://www.videobusi.../CA6433561.html
Sony, among other studios, believes BD+ allows them to produce secure, yet consumer-friendly product, because only the hacker is punished for comprising copy-protection.
“Sony has been focusing more on BD+ than before the attacks occurred,” said Don Eklund, executive VP of advanced technology for SPHE. “Still, work needs to be done in terms of verifying the BD+ discs on all of the players and in sorting out the production process when authoring the titles.”
Nu börjar det...
http://www.videobusi.../CA6433561.html
Redigerat av dealerovski, 14 April 2007 - 23:08.
Postad 14 April 2007 - 23:19
The 2006 Engadget Awards: Vote for Storage Device or Technology of the Year
Just nu [00:20] söndagen den 15 april 2007.
Blu-ray 5964 (45.7%)
Fujitsu 300GB laptop hard drive 1339 (10.3%) <-- Denna i en PS3:a skulle sitta fint!
HD DVD 2831 (21.7%)
Infrant ReadyNAS NV 526 (4.0%)
Seagate 750GB desktop hard drive 2387 (18.3%)
Just nu [00:20] söndagen den 15 april 2007.
Blu-ray 5964 (45.7%)
Fujitsu 300GB laptop hard drive 1339 (10.3%) <-- Denna i en PS3:a skulle sitta fint!
HD DVD 2831 (21.7%)
Infrant ReadyNAS NV 526 (4.0%)
Seagate 750GB desktop hard drive 2387 (18.3%)
Redigerat av Addex, 14 April 2007 - 23:20.
Postad 14 April 2007 - 23:52
Microsoft mugged over VC-1 codec patent terms
We meet people on the various IPTV, mobile TV and web video circuits who always comment that VC-1, after a flying start, has fallen back and that pretty much these days the codec of choice is either VP6 from On2 Technologies for web video and H.264 for everything else, with no VC-1 in sight.
Just over three weeks ago the MPGE LA issued a final license for the Microsoft-inaugurated VC-1 codec, after forming a group to assess essential patents and to discuss terms for it, back in March 2004, the process taking precisely three years.
The license may in fact only be a license by which Microsoft can pay everyone else fees. There are no less than 16 separate companies that are deemed to have patents that are essential for VC-1 to work, the latest addition to the 15 company list that was first issued last August, being Korean number three handset maker, Pantech Curitel.
Between them they speak for 125 separate patents that are listed in the license, and a total of two of these are allocated to Microsoft. Every other supplier of essential technology including Daewoo, France Telecom, société anonyme (which presumably includes patents from close associates of France Telecom also) Fujitsu, Philips, LG, Matsushita, Mitsubishi, NTT Pantech Curitel, Samsung, Sharp, Sony, Telenor, Toshiba JVC, have more patents at stake that Microsoft (except for two of the above) and many of them have many more.
Effectively Microsoft has been mugged by the attempt to make its VC-1 technology a standard through the Society of Motion Picture and Television Engineers. In so doing it had to reveal how its codec technology worked, and offer a license, and in going to the respected MPEG LA as a patent pool agent, it exposed its technology to all the know how that went into licensing the MPEG 2 and MPEG 4 Level 10 AVC/H.264 codec that has stolen the market.
Usually all of the combatants (essential patent holders) will argue for some basis or other for splitting the royalty stream, and these rules are not public and they are not always the same. But as a general principle the more patents you hold, the bigger your slice of the patent pool pie. Now that’s not absolute, but it can be an indicator.
On that basis every company except Telenor and Sharp will end up getting more money when VC-1 is used, than Microsoft. Of course Microsoft can charge what it likes for any software implementation of its own, but since it has always chosen to “give away” its codec with its media player, this means that it has to cover any licensing bill for patents out of virtually zero direct revenue.
Microsoft's humbling over VC-1 shouldn't be under-estimated. When we last heard a Microsoft official speak about this back in 2004 they said that everyone should use VC-1 because it was charging less than MPEG4/H.264, but that was back when it thought that it owned all of the technology inside the codec.
It's no wonder that the use of VC-1 has fallen by the wayside. Why would Microsoft push it? The more successful it is in getting other people to use it, the more its rivals in the consumer electronics space get paid royalties.
When the patent pool was first put together and the negotiating began, both Sony and Philips were known to be considering taking legal action against Microsoft. They had already been successful in taking Microsoft to the patent courts in the US, over DRM, in support of their acquisition Intertrust, where they won a $440 million settlement. In a way that’s more of less what they’ve won here.
Back in August when the draft license terms were issued, it was made clear that Microsoft was the only company that would have to pay “back payments” prior to 2006 (Microsoft has been bundling the same or similar technology in its PC operating systems for around 10 years).
The patent position for H.264 looks remarkable similar to VC-1, which isn’t too surprising since everyone we’ve spoken to says that the technologies are virtually identical anyway. Common patent holders for both the VC-1 patent pool and the H.264 pool include France Télécom société anonyme, Fujitsu, Philips, Matsushita, Mitsubishi, Samsung, Sharp, Sony, Toshiba, JVC and of course Microsoft.
Terms for building a device with the technology in splits into two formats, if it’s for a specific function in a CE device it costs nothing for the first 100,000 licenses; 20 cents each for up to 5 million licenses; 10 cents for all licenses above 5 million and there is a royalty cap of $5m a year. But if the royalty is for a PC operating system, which can of course be used for multiple applications, the cap is $8m.
If Microsoft is forced to pay back 10 years of back payment for royalties (as was suggested in the August 2006 draft license) then it would have an up front payment of something like $80m, divvied up between all 16 companies, and a continual $8m a year – for something that it was claiming it invented itself.
Content companies also pay license fees, and these also split into three, paid for title by title, where a customer pays for the service or product, and where customer either get encoded content for free, such as broadcast Television or as part of an overall subscription.
For this short videos under 12 minutes bear no royalty and thereafter pay the lower of 2% of the price paid for the video or $0.02 per title. This is for replicators of physical media, and service providers such as cable, satellite, video DSL, internet and mobile, for VOD, Pay per view and electronic downloads. This caps at $4.25 million a year until 2012, and rising after that.
Where remuneration is for other sources, such as advertising the licensee pays either a one-time payment of $2,500 per VC-1 encoder or an annual fee per of $2,500 per broadcast market where a market is at least 100,000 people or $5,000 per year per for a broadcast market up to 500,000 people and $10,000 a year for each broadcast market above 1,000,000 or more television households.
The two patents that were included for Microsoft as being essential for inclusion in the patent pool related to predictive image compression using a single variable length code for both the luminance and chrominance blocks and another for the efficient macroblock header coding.
Coincidentally we’re sure, a few days after the terms were finalized a number of US Broadcasters including NHK, TBS, NTV, TV Asahi, Fuji TV and TV all decided that they would adopt the H.264 encoding for their future programming.
This came after there were hiccups over the H.264 license which has also been in discussion for many months, and this was not thought to have related to the VC-1 patent pooling license finally being settled, although the terms of the license are virtually identical, based on a payment on a $2,500 one time fee for each encoder used.
So after all this time the two technologies, considered by many so similar as to be identical, now cost virtually the same to license as one another, much to the chagrin of Microsoft’s and contradicting its earlier statements. The intervening period of uncertainty has pretty much left VC-1 encoding only scarcely used, except a little on the web, with the exception of its use as an option in both High Definition DVD standards HD DVD and Blu-ray. But this only came about as a snub to the MPEG4/H.264 license, which at the time was thought to be too expensive.
Källa: theregister.co.uk
We meet people on the various IPTV, mobile TV and web video circuits who always comment that VC-1, after a flying start, has fallen back and that pretty much these days the codec of choice is either VP6 from On2 Technologies for web video and H.264 for everything else, with no VC-1 in sight.
Just over three weeks ago the MPGE LA issued a final license for the Microsoft-inaugurated VC-1 codec, after forming a group to assess essential patents and to discuss terms for it, back in March 2004, the process taking precisely three years.
The license may in fact only be a license by which Microsoft can pay everyone else fees. There are no less than 16 separate companies that are deemed to have patents that are essential for VC-1 to work, the latest addition to the 15 company list that was first issued last August, being Korean number three handset maker, Pantech Curitel.
Between them they speak for 125 separate patents that are listed in the license, and a total of two of these are allocated to Microsoft. Every other supplier of essential technology including Daewoo, France Telecom, société anonyme (which presumably includes patents from close associates of France Telecom also) Fujitsu, Philips, LG, Matsushita, Mitsubishi, NTT Pantech Curitel, Samsung, Sharp, Sony, Telenor, Toshiba JVC, have more patents at stake that Microsoft (except for two of the above) and many of them have many more.
Effectively Microsoft has been mugged by the attempt to make its VC-1 technology a standard through the Society of Motion Picture and Television Engineers. In so doing it had to reveal how its codec technology worked, and offer a license, and in going to the respected MPEG LA as a patent pool agent, it exposed its technology to all the know how that went into licensing the MPEG 2 and MPEG 4 Level 10 AVC/H.264 codec that has stolen the market.
Usually all of the combatants (essential patent holders) will argue for some basis or other for splitting the royalty stream, and these rules are not public and they are not always the same. But as a general principle the more patents you hold, the bigger your slice of the patent pool pie. Now that’s not absolute, but it can be an indicator.
On that basis every company except Telenor and Sharp will end up getting more money when VC-1 is used, than Microsoft. Of course Microsoft can charge what it likes for any software implementation of its own, but since it has always chosen to “give away” its codec with its media player, this means that it has to cover any licensing bill for patents out of virtually zero direct revenue.
Microsoft's humbling over VC-1 shouldn't be under-estimated. When we last heard a Microsoft official speak about this back in 2004 they said that everyone should use VC-1 because it was charging less than MPEG4/H.264, but that was back when it thought that it owned all of the technology inside the codec.
It's no wonder that the use of VC-1 has fallen by the wayside. Why would Microsoft push it? The more successful it is in getting other people to use it, the more its rivals in the consumer electronics space get paid royalties.
When the patent pool was first put together and the negotiating began, both Sony and Philips were known to be considering taking legal action against Microsoft. They had already been successful in taking Microsoft to the patent courts in the US, over DRM, in support of their acquisition Intertrust, where they won a $440 million settlement. In a way that’s more of less what they’ve won here.
Back in August when the draft license terms were issued, it was made clear that Microsoft was the only company that would have to pay “back payments” prior to 2006 (Microsoft has been bundling the same or similar technology in its PC operating systems for around 10 years).
The patent position for H.264 looks remarkable similar to VC-1, which isn’t too surprising since everyone we’ve spoken to says that the technologies are virtually identical anyway. Common patent holders for both the VC-1 patent pool and the H.264 pool include France Télécom société anonyme, Fujitsu, Philips, Matsushita, Mitsubishi, Samsung, Sharp, Sony, Toshiba, JVC and of course Microsoft.
Terms for building a device with the technology in splits into two formats, if it’s for a specific function in a CE device it costs nothing for the first 100,000 licenses; 20 cents each for up to 5 million licenses; 10 cents for all licenses above 5 million and there is a royalty cap of $5m a year. But if the royalty is for a PC operating system, which can of course be used for multiple applications, the cap is $8m.
If Microsoft is forced to pay back 10 years of back payment for royalties (as was suggested in the August 2006 draft license) then it would have an up front payment of something like $80m, divvied up between all 16 companies, and a continual $8m a year – for something that it was claiming it invented itself.
Content companies also pay license fees, and these also split into three, paid for title by title, where a customer pays for the service or product, and where customer either get encoded content for free, such as broadcast Television or as part of an overall subscription.
For this short videos under 12 minutes bear no royalty and thereafter pay the lower of 2% of the price paid for the video or $0.02 per title. This is for replicators of physical media, and service providers such as cable, satellite, video DSL, internet and mobile, for VOD, Pay per view and electronic downloads. This caps at $4.25 million a year until 2012, and rising after that.
Where remuneration is for other sources, such as advertising the licensee pays either a one-time payment of $2,500 per VC-1 encoder or an annual fee per of $2,500 per broadcast market where a market is at least 100,000 people or $5,000 per year per for a broadcast market up to 500,000 people and $10,000 a year for each broadcast market above 1,000,000 or more television households.
The two patents that were included for Microsoft as being essential for inclusion in the patent pool related to predictive image compression using a single variable length code for both the luminance and chrominance blocks and another for the efficient macroblock header coding.
Coincidentally we’re sure, a few days after the terms were finalized a number of US Broadcasters including NHK, TBS, NTV, TV Asahi, Fuji TV and TV all decided that they would adopt the H.264 encoding for their future programming.
This came after there were hiccups over the H.264 license which has also been in discussion for many months, and this was not thought to have related to the VC-1 patent pooling license finally being settled, although the terms of the license are virtually identical, based on a payment on a $2,500 one time fee for each encoder used.
So after all this time the two technologies, considered by many so similar as to be identical, now cost virtually the same to license as one another, much to the chagrin of Microsoft’s and contradicting its earlier statements. The intervening period of uncertainty has pretty much left VC-1 encoding only scarcely used, except a little on the web, with the exception of its use as an option in both High Definition DVD standards HD DVD and Blu-ray. But this only came about as a snub to the MPEG4/H.264 license, which at the time was thought to be too expensive.
Källa: theregister.co.uk
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Also, BD+ can detect tampering to a player, refusing to play once any manipulation to hardware is discovered.
det blir nog bra
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HDTV DVD War Is Not Over
Editor's Note: Samsung this week said it would introduce a dual-format HDTV DVD player by year's end. The news has led some to speculate that the Blu-ray vs. HD-DVD war is far from over, including our HD Observer Joseph Whip..
Washington, D.C. (April 14, 2007) -- Looks like Sony was premature in their declaration of victory in the HD-DVD/Blu-Ray format war. Samsung's announcement of their dual format player is evidence that cracks are starting to form in the BD camp.
At this time last year, Samsung was proclaiming publicly that they were BD exclusive and had no plans to develop, manufacture and market a dual format player despite rumors to the contrary. Now they have formally announced their dual format player and have not ruled out selling an HD-DVD only player.
Why that change of heart?
Perhaps it is due to Sony's sales of the PS3 at prices substantially below what standalone BD players were selling for, cutting BD CE manufacturers such as Samsung and Panasonic off at the knees, as sales of standalone BD players are anemic at best. Samsung clearly can't be happy with this result. I can't imagine that Panasonic and Pioneer are happy with their sales either
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"The second reason is the Nielsen Videoscan sales numbers released by Sony which show how few discs of each format are selling. Despite the sale of over a million PS3 consoles, well fewer than a million BD discs have been sold since the sale of the first BD player, the Samsung BDP-1000, back in June 2006. The best that BD could do was Casino Royale, at less than 40,000 discs despite Sony's claim that they shipped 100,000 of those discs (Ljuger Sony för oss? ).
Many titles have sold less than 1000 copies, even some big titles such as Chicago. HD-DVD sales were comparable despite the fact that HD-DVD has sold somewhere under 250,000 players. Batman Begins and The Departed on HD-DVD have sold similar numbers as CR.
Given the number of players sold by each camp, one would have expected BD to far outsell HD yet they haven't. The attach rate of HD discs far surpasses that of BD.
With the recent sales triggered by the reduction by Toshiba of their A2 player to a MRSP of $399 and the upcoming release of The Matrix on HD-DVD only as well as the flurry of recently announced HD-DVD titles, it is not unreasonable to believe that HD-DVD sales will soon match or exceed those of BD, even with the BD exclusive releases of Cars, Pirates of the Caribbean 1 & 2.
What is clear is that, despite the protestations of Sony and Fox to the contrary, the format war is not only not over but far from it. In fact, one can see the two formats existing side by side for years. It would be difficult to see were that to be the case, why BD exclusive studios such as Fox and Disney would want to remain so and ignore sales of their content to HD-DVD buyers, losing out on significant profits. Remember that Fox and Disney also supported the failed DIVX format as well and then supported DVD.
Maybe they have made a similar mistake in this format battle?(Det är inte sant ) Should they switch, this war may in fact end, with BD on the losing side."
Fin artikel, precis i min smak...
Editor's Note: Samsung this week said it would introduce a dual-format HDTV DVD player by year's end. The news has led some to speculate that the Blu-ray vs. HD-DVD war is far from over, including our HD Observer Joseph Whip..
Washington, D.C. (April 14, 2007) -- Looks like Sony was premature in their declaration of victory in the HD-DVD/Blu-Ray format war. Samsung's announcement of their dual format player is evidence that cracks are starting to form in the BD camp.
At this time last year, Samsung was proclaiming publicly that they were BD exclusive and had no plans to develop, manufacture and market a dual format player despite rumors to the contrary. Now they have formally announced their dual format player and have not ruled out selling an HD-DVD only player.
Why that change of heart?
Perhaps it is due to Sony's sales of the PS3 at prices substantially below what standalone BD players were selling for, cutting BD CE manufacturers such as Samsung and Panasonic off at the knees, as sales of standalone BD players are anemic at best. Samsung clearly can't be happy with this result. I can't imagine that Panasonic and Pioneer are happy with their sales either
."The second reason is the Nielsen Videoscan sales numbers released by Sony which show how few discs of each format are selling. Despite the sale of over a million PS3 consoles, well fewer than a million BD discs have been sold since the sale of the first BD player, the Samsung BDP-1000, back in June 2006. The best that BD could do was Casino Royale, at less than 40,000 discs despite Sony's claim that they shipped 100,000 of those discs (Ljuger Sony för oss?
). Many titles have sold less than 1000 copies, even some big titles such as Chicago. HD-DVD sales were comparable despite the fact that HD-DVD has sold somewhere under 250,000 players. Batman Begins and The Departed on HD-DVD have sold similar numbers as CR.
Given the number of players sold by each camp, one would have expected BD to far outsell HD yet they haven't. The attach rate of HD discs far surpasses that of BD.
With the recent sales triggered by the reduction by Toshiba of their A2 player to a MRSP of $399 and the upcoming release of The Matrix on HD-DVD only as well as the flurry of recently announced HD-DVD titles, it is not unreasonable to believe that HD-DVD sales will soon match or exceed those of BD, even with the BD exclusive releases of Cars, Pirates of the Caribbean 1 & 2.
What is clear is that, despite the protestations of Sony and Fox to the contrary, the format war is not only not over but far from it. In fact, one can see the two formats existing side by side for years. It would be difficult to see were that to be the case, why BD exclusive studios such as Fox and Disney would want to remain so and ignore sales of their content to HD-DVD buyers, losing out on significant profits. Remember that Fox and Disney also supported the failed DIVX format as well and then supported DVD.
Maybe they have made a similar mistake in this format battle?(Det är inte sant
) Should they switch, this war may in fact end, with BD on the losing side."Fin artikel, precis i min smak...
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Löjligt, alla fattar väl att alla inte vill använda sin PS3 för att spela upp filmer, så länge BD säljer bättre så kan jag inte förstå hur man kan vinkla det till HD DVD's fördel.
Sen jämföra CR och BB Begins, snygg Dom har ju varit ute lika länge eller hur?
Nä, jag ser framför mig hur diabolo och rdjam sitter och skriver denna artikel och Amir i bakgrunden med en läderpiska
EDIT: Om Samsung tror att dom ska få sälja hur mycket som helst av sin nya spelare så får dom nog tänka om, anledningen till att många skippade deras spelare var ju att PS3 är bättre. HD DVD köpare är ju dom som tjatar mest om pris, Strap-on, $199 kina-spelare osv, så räkna inte med den skaran. Nä dom får fan ta tag i saken och bygga en bättre spelare än PS3 istället för att bara sitta och gnälla.
Sen jämföra CR och BB Begins, snygg
Dom har ju varit ute lika länge eller hur? Nä, jag ser framför mig hur diabolo och rdjam sitter och skriver denna artikel och Amir i bakgrunden med en läderpiska
EDIT: Om Samsung tror att dom ska få sälja hur mycket som helst av sin nya spelare så får dom nog tänka om, anledningen till att många skippade deras spelare var ju att PS3 är bättre. HD DVD köpare är ju dom som tjatar mest om pris, Strap-on, $199 kina-spelare osv, så räkna inte med den skaran. Nä dom får fan ta tag i saken och bygga en bättre spelare än PS3 istället för att bara sitta och gnälla.
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Nä, jag ser framför mig hur diabolo och rdjam sitter och skriver denna artikel och Amir i bakgrunden med en läderpiska
hur visste du det? *Sluta klaga nu, det kommer bättre dagar för BDn
...eller inte
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Hur var det nu igen, skulle det släppas en ny version av 5th element BD remastrad? orkar inte söka.. =)
Redigerat av Unregistered8147b14e, 15 April 2007 - 13:14.
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Hur var det nu igen, skulle det släppas en ny version av 5th element BD remastrad? orkar inte söka.. =)
Japp den ska komma till sommaren, BD50/AVC, PCM och TrueHD 24-bit.
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Från HD DVD tråden:
Om Gen1 spelarna klarar att läsa alla 3 lager i 1.5x på 51GB skivorna så ska jag äta upp dina kallingar diabolo
Intressant info om Toshibas 51Gb HD-DVD skiva
http://www.avsforum....ad.php?t=833686
date 040107
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Originally Posted by amirm
Following up on an oft asked question, looks like the wheels are in motion in DVD Forum to study Toshiba's triple layer, 51 gigabyte HD DVD disc. Don't have more information than this to share in public. But just thought you all want to know .
date 040207
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Originally Posted by amirm
Our guess is 6 to 12 months. Note that there are some other interesting variations being proposed on top of the base TL-51. But I like to keep you in suspense on them until there is more discussion in the forum . These variations may make it longer to ratify their proposal.
date 040307
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Originally Posted by amirm
I don't know how to answer "working." Toshiba is presenting their proposal and the forum will review details of it and decide. I head heard last year that TL-51 had support for 1.5X data rate but I have nothing else beyond that to confirm it.
We should wait to see what comes out of the forum.
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Maybe these variations Amir is speaking of have to do with exactly that, spin rate.
I just don't see any real advantage to increasing size and bandwith other than bragging rights over BR. One thing for sure is that pending that, BR will have no physical/programming advantage left, and the only hurdle to overcome for HD DVD would be studio support. It will take one defecting studio to change the ball game, after that it's status quo forever. And seeing how Samsung's Duo Player is now official, we can all see where this is going...
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My guess would be TL51 is actually a reasonably conservative step (meaning fairly risk free) that should do the job if the job can be done. At worst, it would open the door to higher capacities for SL and DL.
I see the x1.5 as being completely up in the air as Toshiba hasn't formally said a word about it -- it very definitely DID talk about TL51! So maybe X1.5 will end up in HD DVD's pocket, but I'm pretty sure TL51 will (as well as SL17 and DL34).
My 2 cents
Det blir bara bättre o bättre
Om Gen1 spelarna klarar att läsa alla 3 lager i 1.5x på 51GB skivorna så ska jag äta upp dina kallingar diabolo
Postad 15 April 2007 - 14:01
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Hur det ut på prisfronten för BD-spelarna? Något billigt på gång.
PS3 eller inte, så tror iaf jag att så länge de inte droppar så kommer folk haka på HD-DVD.
PS3 eller inte, så tror iaf jag att så länge de inte droppar så kommer folk haka på HD-DVD.
Postad 15 April 2007 - 15:42
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Hur det ut på prisfronten för BD-spelarna? Något billigt på gång.
PS3 eller inte, så tror iaf jag att så länge de inte droppar så kommer folk haka på HD-DVD.
Icke officiellt så ska 4 stora företag ha BD spelare för under $400 på G mot slutet av året.
Postad 15 April 2007 - 17:45
Hur det ut på prisfronten för BD-spelarna? Något billigt på gång.
PS3 eller inte, så tror iaf jag att så länge de inte droppar så kommer folk haka på HD-DVD.
Icke officiellt så ska 4 stora företag ha BD spelare för under $400 på G mot slutet av året.
PS3:an eller Samsungen finns nu för cirkus 6500.-
Redigerat av Addex, 15 April 2007 - 17:48.
Postad 15 April 2007 - 17:46
Om Gen1 spelarna klarar att läsa alla 3 lager i 1.5x på 51GB skivorna så ska jag äta upp dina kallingar diabolo
Och jag blir neutral...
Postad 15 April 2007 - 17:52
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Det är ruskigt vad prylar rasar ner i pris. Kolla bara samsungs blå spelare som i början av oktober (tror jag)kostade runt 12 tkr o nu runt 6 tkr. 
Jaja det kostar att vara först.
Jaja det kostar att vara först.
Postad 15 April 2007 - 18:14
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Om Gen1 spelarna klarar att läsa alla 3 lager i 1.5x på 51GB skivorna så ska jag äta upp dina kallingar diabolo
Kinky, i like it
*Skivor med högre kapacitet kommer att användas så småningom, vet ej om det blir TL eller DL....man får vänta o se.
....little Billy AKA Elmo
Postad 15 April 2007 - 18:26
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Hur det ut på prisfronten för BD-spelarna? Något billigt på gång.
PS3 eller inte, så tror iaf jag att så länge de inte droppar så kommer folk haka på HD-DVD.
Icke officiellt *så ska 4 stora företag ha BD spelare för under $400 på G mot slutet av året.
Just nu kan man köpa en Toshiba HD-A2(USA) för ca 300$, samma model kommer att kosta ca 200-250$ om några månader så ni kan förstå vart "China" spelarna hamnar prismässigt
*O det är officiellt
Postad 15 April 2007 - 18:57
Hur det ut på prisfronten för BD-spelarna? Något billigt på gång.
PS3 eller inte, så tror iaf jag att så länge de inte droppar så kommer folk haka på HD-DVD.
Icke officiellt *så ska 4 stora företag ha BD spelare för under $400 på G mot slutet av året.
Just nu kan man köpa en Toshiba HD-A2(USA) för ca 300$, samma model kommer att kosta ca 200-250$ om några månader så ni kan förstå vart "China" spelarna hamnar prismässigt
*O det är officiellt
$100, $50 eller vänta, Bill Gates kommer personligen hem till dig och installerar spelare helt gratis.
Postad 15 April 2007 - 19:07
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$100, $50 eller vänta, Bill Gates kommer personligen hem till dig och installerar spelare helt gratis.
Vissa har svårt o förstå läget (BD fan/FUD boys)
...fakta är fakta o så ligger det till
Postad 15 April 2007 - 19:08
It's a joke, take it easy.$100, $50 eller vänta, Bill Gates kommer personligen hem till dig och installerar spelare helt gratis.
Vissa har svårt o förstå läget (BD fan/FUD boys)
Redigerat av Addex, 15 April 2007 - 19:10.
Postad 15 April 2007 - 23:33
JA det är helt underbart, nu ska det hålla sig på den nivån med...
Det är lite lätt kul och ironiskt att du har Spindelmannen som avatar.
Bluray release...
Postad 16 April 2007 - 01:57
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Det är lite lätt kul och ironiskt att du har Spindelmannen som avatar.
Bluray release...
Men vem vet vad som händer i framtiden
Postad 16 April 2007 - 02:08
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Om Gen1 spelarna klarar att läsa alla 3 lager i 1.5x på 51GB skivorna så ska jag äta upp dina kallingar diabolo
Och jag blir neutral...*
*2 inlägg som kommer att sparas o användas vid rätt tillfälle
Postad 16 April 2007 - 03:18
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http://www.avsforum....0&
"I asked Paidgeek (via PM) about what type of BD player I should get to compliment my XA2. Here is my question and his response:
Re: Looking for a BD Player to Compliment my XA2
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Originally Posted by alfbinet
I don't want the PS3.
I have a XA2 player. I want something similar in the BD player. What would you recommend? It must be BD-J compliant with full BD-J specs, all that BD-J is capable of now and in the future. What would you recommend for a purchase now that can be upgraded later for full BD-J implementation in future.
His response:
At this time, there is no player that meets your requirements. The current BD set-top players do not support the full future implementation of BD. PS3 may be upgraded through software to do this, but you have already passed on that, though I am not sure why as it is a very good player. I would not expect another player to meet your specifications until this coming fall.
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Sony Pictures BD Insider
I had heard rumblings that full BD-J implementation might not come until Fall. This appears to imply the new Sony player may not be fully BD-J compliant upon release."
"I asked Paidgeek (via PM) about what type of BD player I should get to compliment my XA2. Here is my question and his response:
Re: Looking for a BD Player to Compliment my XA2
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Quote:
Originally Posted by alfbinet
I don't want the PS3.
I have a XA2 player. I want something similar in the BD player. What would you recommend? It must be BD-J compliant with full BD-J specs, all that BD-J is capable of now and in the future. What would you recommend for a purchase now that can be upgraded later for full BD-J implementation in future.
His response:
At this time, there is no player that meets your requirements. The current BD set-top players do not support the full future implementation of BD. PS3 may be upgraded through software to do this, but you have already passed on that, though I am not sure why as it is a very good player. I would not expect another player to meet your specifications until this coming fall.
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Sony Pictures BD Insider
I had heard rumblings that full BD-J implementation might not come until Fall. This appears to imply the new Sony player may not be fully BD-J compliant upon release."
Redigerat av diabolo, 16 April 2007 - 05:49.
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Samsung supporting both Blu-ray, HD DVD
"The Korean consumer electronics manufacturer said Friday it expects to have a dual-format machine that will play Blu-ray Disc and HD DVD software in stores in time for the holidays.
Dongsoo Jun, executive vp of the Digital AV Division at Samsung Electronics, said his company also "is flexible to market a stand-alone HD DVD player whenever consumers demand it."
"Our main concern is not technology but consumer choice," he said. "Consumers are hungry for more HD content but are currently confused about competing formats."
The fact that Samsung, which for so long has been an exclusive Blu-ray supporter, is going the dual-format route "is an acknowledgment of the tremendous value that HD DVD brings to the early adopter of high-definition-packaged media," he said.
Kornblau and other HD DVD supporters believe the imminent entry into the open-platform HD DVD market of low-priced players from Chinese consumer electronics manufacturers will ultimately tip the scale in favor of that format.
"Look what affordable players did for DVD," Kornblau said. "DVD didn't really go mass market until the Chinese came in."
"The Korean consumer electronics manufacturer said Friday it expects to have a dual-format machine that will play Blu-ray Disc and HD DVD software in stores in time for the holidays.
Dongsoo Jun, executive vp of the Digital AV Division at Samsung Electronics, said his company also "is flexible to market a stand-alone HD DVD player whenever consumers demand it."
"Our main concern is not technology but consumer choice," he said. "Consumers are hungry for more HD content but are currently confused about competing formats."
The fact that Samsung, which for so long has been an exclusive Blu-ray supporter, is going the dual-format route "is an acknowledgment of the tremendous value that HD DVD brings to the early adopter of high-definition-packaged media," he said.
Kornblau and other HD DVD supporters believe the imminent entry into the open-platform HD DVD market of low-priced players from Chinese consumer electronics manufacturers will ultimately tip the scale in favor of that format.
"Look what affordable players did for DVD," Kornblau said. "DVD didn't really go mass market until the Chinese
came in."
Postad 16 April 2007 - 07:18
Det är lite lätt kul och ironiskt att du har Spindelmannen som avatar.
Bluray release...
Men vem vet vad som händer i framtiden
Jo jag vet att du drömmer om att Sony ska släppa på HD DVD.
Men det kan man ju snabbt räkna ut att det kommer inte hända, men visst, du kan gissa på att det kanske händer 2012 eller liknande.
Postad 16 April 2007 - 07:27
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Jo jag vet att du drömmer om att Sony ska släppa på HD DVD.
Men det kan man ju snabbt räkna ut att det kommer inte hända, men visst, du kan gissa på att det kanske händer 2012 eller liknande.
Max något år
Postad 16 April 2007 - 07:46
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I know, old news men gillar den sista delen
Samsung no longer Blu-ray exclusive: HD DVD/Blu-ray Combo player on the way
"This is fantastic news and will hopefully spell the beginning of the end of this format war headache. But the repercussions for the industry are also interesting. If these dual-format players do become the norm, then which format is REALLY going to "win"? HD DVD discs are cheaper to produce and offer better interactive features than the Blu-ray format, so if single-format players are to become a thing of the past, will all studios quietly shift over to producing HD DVD discs, and use Blu-ray media in special circumstances only (for example, when the extra space is actually required)?
Well done Samsung. All we need now is for Sony to make a dual format player. After all, their first Network Walkmans only played their ATRAC audio format. Now they play ATRAC as well as competing standards like MP3, AAC, and even WMA"
Samsung no longer Blu-ray exclusive: HD DVD/Blu-ray Combo player on the way
"This is fantastic news and will hopefully spell the beginning of the end of this format war headache. But the repercussions for the industry are also interesting. If these dual-format players do become the norm, then which format is REALLY going to "win"? HD DVD discs are cheaper to produce and offer better interactive features than the Blu-ray format, so if single-format players are to become a thing of the past, will all studios quietly shift over to producing HD DVD discs, and use Blu-ray media in special circumstances only (for example, when the extra space is actually required)?
Well done Samsung. All we need now is for Sony to make a dual format player. After all, their first Network Walkmans only played their ATRAC audio format. Now they play ATRAC as well as competing standards like MP3, AAC, and even WMA"
Postad 16 April 2007 - 08:50
JA det är helt underbart, nu ska det hålla sig på den nivån med...
Det är lite lätt kul och ironiskt att du har Spindelmannen som avatar.
Bluray release...
Har den på Superbit faktiskt och är grymt nöjd med den har ett litet screenshot i mitt galleri från DVD.n...
Postad 16 April 2007 - 08:54
JA det är helt underbart, nu ska det hålla sig på den nivån med...
Det är lite lätt kul och ironiskt att du har Spindelmannen som avatar.
Bluray release...
Har den på Superbit faktiskt och är grymt nöjd med den har ett litet screenshot i mitt galleri från DVD.n...
Casino Royal då?
Du kallar dig ju faktiskt för "Henke007"
Postad 16 April 2007 - 09:43
Gör det.Om Gen1 spelarna klarar att läsa alla 3 lager i 1.5x på 51GB skivorna så ska jag äta upp dina kallingar diabolo
Och jag blir neutral...*
*2 inlägg som kommer att sparas o användas vid rätt tillfälle
Bandbredden är mitt största problem med HD DVD, förrutom namnet och att Microsoft är så djupt involverad. 
Postad 16 April 2007 - 10:03
JA det är helt underbart, nu ska det hålla sig på den nivån med...
Det är lite lätt kul och ironiskt att du har Spindelmannen som avatar.
Bluray release...
Har den på Superbit faktiskt och är grymt nöjd med den har ett litet screenshot i mitt galleri från DVD.n...
Casino Royal då?
Du kallar dig ju faktiskt för "Henke007"
HEHE det är sant, har hela bondväskan inkl casino royal också och den marginella skillnaden kan ja vara utan dem DVD.erna är state of the art minst sagt..
men roligt att du påpeka ironin ja gillar ironi
Postad 16 April 2007 - 10:21
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Så när kommer en komplett BD spelare??
* "I would not expect another player to meet your specifications until this coming fall"
Skrivet av Paidgeek
Postad 16 April 2007 - 10:44
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"I asked Paidgeek (via PM) about what type of BD player I should get to compliment my XA2. Here is my question and his response:
Re: Looking for a BD Player to Compliment my XA2
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Quote:
Originally Posted by alfbinet
I don't want the PS3.
I have a XA2 player. I want something similar in the BD player. What would you recommend? It must be BD-J compliant with full BD-J specs, all that BD-J is capable of now and in the future. What would you recommend for a purchase now that can be upgraded later for full BD-J implementation in future.
His response:
At this time, there is no player that meets your requirements. The current BD set-top players do not support the full future implementation of BD. PS3 may be upgraded through software to do this, but you have already passed on that, though I am not sure why as it is a very good player. I would not expect another player to meet your specifications until this coming fall.
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Sony Pictures BD Insider
I had heard rumblings that full BD-J implementation might not come until Fall. This appears to imply the new Sony player may not be fully BD-J compliant upon release."
Så när kommer en komplett BD spelare??
* "I would not expect another player to meet your specifications until this coming fall"
Skrivet av Paidgeek
Det är ju uppenbart att paidgeek syftar på deras nya s500 som ska komma till hösten, s300 ska inte klara 1.1 profilen som tidigare sagts. Har svårt att tro att paidgeek skulle sitta och säga,
"nä men, det kommer en spelare från *valfrittnamn* i juli, bara att köpa den då"
Sony var inte först ut med standalone och jag tror inte dom kommer vara först ut med 1.1 heller...
Redigerat av Unregistered992, 16 April 2007 - 10:45.
Postad 16 April 2007 - 10:50
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Om Gen1 spelarna klarar att läsa alla 3 lager i 1.5x på 51GB skivorna så ska jag äta upp dina kallingar diabolo
Och jag blir neutral...*
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Det får du gärna göra, som sagt, kan Gen1 spelarna läsa alla 3 lagar i all dess kapacitet och på samma gång i 1.5x, då blir jag riktigt impad. Det betyder ju att man kan använda hela skivan för filmerna.
OM Dessa öht når ut på marknaden och inte slutar lika som TL45, så tror jag det kommer bli så att nya spelare kan spela upp dom nya skivorna men gamla spelare kan fortfarande bara läsa 2 lager. Detta begränsar ju filmerna nå enormt, vafan ska man göra på sista lagret? Extramaterial kanske...
Det är lustigt att alla bara säger att HD DVD duger till allt, man behöver inte mer än 30GB, och nu när detta kommer upp så blir alla så exalterade
Postad 16 April 2007 - 11:04
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Det får du gärna göra, som sagt, kan Gen1 spelarna läsa alla 3 lagar i all dess kapacitet och på samma gång i 1.5x, då blir jag riktigt impad. Det betyder ju att man kan använda hela skivan för filmerna.
OM Dessa öht når ut på marknaden och inte slutar lika som TL45, så tror jag det kommer bli så att nya spelare kan spela upp dom nya skivorna men gamla spelare kan fortfarande bara läsa 2 lager. Detta begränsar ju filmerna nå enormt, vafan ska man göra på sista lagret? Extramaterial kanske...
Det är lustigt att alla bara säger att HD DVD duger till allt, man behöver inte mer än 30GB, och nu när detta kommer upp så blir alla så exalterade
läshastighet på A1n och XA1 2.0x
...men vi får se hur det blir *G2 4.0x
Redigerat av diabolo, 16 April 2007 - 11:07.
Postad 16 April 2007 - 11:17
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läshastighet på A1n och XA1 2.0x
*G2 4.0x
Du har ju själv skrivit att dom kanske ska lägga till 1.5x
Det jag vet är att HD DVD snurrar sina i 1.0 och BD i 1.5, BD har högre bandbredd och HD DVD skulle kunna uppnå det samma med 1.5. Vad du babblar om nu vet jag inte.
Postad 16 April 2007 - 12:02
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läshastighet på A1n och XA1 2.0x
*G2 4.0x
Du har ju själv skrivit att dom kanske ska lägga till 1.5x
Det jag vet är att HD DVD snurrar sina i 1.0 och BD i 1.5, BD har högre bandbredd och HD DVD skulle kunna uppnå det samma med 1.5. Vad du babblar om nu vet jag inte.
Pratar om HD-DVD drivers max läshastighet (G1,G2)
...1.5x är läshastigheten med TL-51 skivan, hänger du med nu Elmo *TL-51n har kommit fram för de kräsna Disney, Fox
(högre bitrate/kapacitet än BD )http://www.avsforum....&
"I remember seeing a spec sheet for the HD-DVD drives that are in the G1 players, and they're 2x drives, so physically, there is no problem with them being able to spin 1.5x. And I'm sure it would be nothing to write a firmware that would tell the drive to simply spin faster. Of course there would be a lot of other stuff required to make it work in the context of actually reading info off the disk and doing proper error correction at the accelerated rate, but I don't see why it couldn't be done if they wanted it done bad enough. And the drives in the G2 units are 4x, iirc, so same thing applies there."
"- All G1 players have drives that can do at least 2X reads."
Redigerat av diabolo, 16 April 2007 - 12:11.
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The New BDA Campaign Begun - "Phase: HYDRA"?
"To quote the AVSforum post from the unofficial, but illustrious, undercover reporter: “-- The BDA has formally kicked off a new PR campaign called "Phase Hydra"....its purpose is to seed "high profile" forums with Blu-ray advocates and target bloggers to promote Blu-ray to get the word out to the world...the campaign will also focus on "smaller, independent studio issues"...
Sony we
u.....not
*Intressant artikel (Föresten vad hände med random111 )
"To quote the AVSforum post from the unofficial, but illustrious, undercover reporter: “-- The BDA has formally kicked off a new PR campaign called "Phase Hydra"....its purpose is to seed "high profile" forums with Blu-ray advocates and target bloggers to promote Blu-ray to get the word out to the world...the campaign will also focus on "smaller, independent studio issues"...
Sony we
u.....not *Intressant artikel
(Föresten vad hände med random111 )
Postad 16 April 2007 - 12:45
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Du kan ju inte begära att alla ska diskutera om detta varje dag
Ska själv ta en paus snart då jag börjar lessna lite, det går i perioder för mig, och när det är varmt och skönt ute så finns det andra intressen som tar över
Postad 16 April 2007 - 12:59
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Anledningen till att HD DVD:n av Dragon's Lair blev försenad:HD-DVD verionen är på G o jag tror ej att det har o göra med softwaren som används utav Toshen...
Why did you guys go with Blu-Ray instead of HD-DVD?
DF: We still do have intentions of coming out with HD-DVD. There are just challenges in terms of the hardware that is out there right now, in terms of compatibility. Similar issues to the BD-J issues, but a little bit more severe. So we're sort of waiting that one out until there is a little bit more maturity. There's a couple of movies out there that aren't running particularly well on HD-DVD. Children of Men is one. The issues are the firmware implementations and the other is the development and technology.
När inte ens Toshiba kan lyckas göra spelare som är fullt kompatibla så kan man ju börja undra hur det ska gå när de omtalade Kina-spelarna dyker upp
Är det någon som är en del av en viral marketing-kampanj så är det väl han själv (rdjam alltså)...
Postad 16 April 2007 - 16:19
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Du kan ju inte begära att alla ska diskutera om detta varje dag
, WTF
Postad 16 April 2007 - 16:21
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Är det någon som är en del av en viral marketing-kampanj så är det väl han själv (rdjam alltså)...
Random, welcome back
The New BDA Campaign Begun - "Phase: HYDRA"?
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