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Postad 26 April 2007 - 00:16
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Ehm ja, och?
Keith Haas, director of sales, said the company is “looking at both [the HD DVD and Blu-ray] formats” and rethinking it’s decision of which format to back
Att Onkyo redan skulle släppa en HD DVD spelare visste vi ju redan...
Vadå "Ehm ja, och?" Officiellt press release VS E-gear artikel mer än så behöver jag inte skriva...
http://www.us.onkyo.com/news.cfm?id=2
Men herre gud, vad i "rethinking" förstår du inte?
Postad 26 April 2007 - 00:21
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Bill? Igen?
And while we're talking Blu-ray, the BD Association has issued a statement clarifying the compliance of current and forthcoming Blu-ray Disc players with the BD-Java spec. Here's the text:
Det är alltså inte Bills ord om du nu missa det.
Postad 26 April 2007 - 00:23
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Toshiba targeting to sell 3 mln HD DVD players in fiscal 2007 - report
TOKYO (XFN-ASIA) - Toshiba Corp aims to sell around 3 mln players compatible with the HD DVD next-generation optical disc format in the current year to March 2008, up sharply from the 250,000 units it sold last fiscal year, the Nikkei financial daily reported, without citing sources.
The global market for next-generation DVD players is seen at 4-5 mln units in fiscal 2007, with Toshiba seeking a 60-70 pct share, the Nikkei said.
To better compete with companies promoting the rival Blu-ray Disc format, Toshiba plans to continue with its strategy of cutting prices and releasing low-priced players in the US, the largest market, according to the newspaper.
The company slashed prices of both entry-level and midrange players by 100 usd there this month, bringing price tags to 399 usd and 499 usd, respectively.
(1 usd = 118.72 yen)
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TOKYO (XFN-ASIA) - Toshiba Corp aims to sell around 3 mln players compatible with the HD DVD next-generation optical disc format in the current year to March 2008, up sharply from the 250,000 units it sold last fiscal year, the Nikkei financial daily reported, without citing sources.
The global market for next-generation DVD players is seen at 4-5 mln units in fiscal 2007, with Toshiba seeking a 60-70 pct share, the Nikkei said.
To better compete with companies promoting the rival Blu-ray Disc format, Toshiba plans to continue with its strategy of cutting prices and releasing low-priced players in the US, the largest market, according to the newspaper.
The company slashed prices of both entry-level and midrange players by 100 usd there this month, bringing price tags to 399 usd and 499 usd, respectively.
(1 usd = 118.72 yen)
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ys/mas
Postad 26 April 2007 - 00:29
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Bill? Igen?
DreamWorks (via Paramount)
Expected to support HD-DVD, but no announced titles at this time.
...Minority Report är väl Dreamworks/Spielberg så det är på G
/D
Postad 26 April 2007 - 00:30
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Det är alltså inte Bills ord om du nu missa det.
"No player shipped to date supports PiP at this time, although it's always possible that a given model has been designed to switch it on later (no company has announced this yet as far as I know)."
"If a studio offers a PiP function or other features that require the persistent memory or the ability to playback secondary video or audio streams on future BD titles, current players will not support those specific features"
Så vart var det nyheterna?
Postad 26 April 2007 - 00:32
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DreamWorks (via Paramount)
Expected to support HD-DVD, but no announced titles at this time.
...Minority Report är väl Dreamworks/Spielberg så det är på G
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Bill är rolig
Dreamgirls (HD DVD)
DreamWorks Home Entertainment
Postad 26 April 2007 - 00:36
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Det är alltså inte Bills ord om du nu missa det.
"No player shipped to date supports PiP at this time, although it's always possible that a given model has been designed to switch it on later (no company has announced this yet as far as I know)."
"If a studio offers a PiP function or other features that require the persistent memory or the ability to playback secondary video or audio streams on future BD titles, current players will not support those specific features"
Så vart var det nyheterna?
Folk fattar inte att det bara är PiP det handlar om, inte mjukvara. släpper en studio någon "IME" funktion som bara handlar om BD-J och inte 1.1 hårdvaran så ska den funka lika bra i alla spelare(om den det inte gör det så får dom väl uppdatera spelarna)
Har märkt att många här har svårt att förstå detta.
Postad 26 April 2007 - 00:40
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Folk fattar inte att det bara är PiP det handlar om, inte mjukvara. släpper en studio någon "IME" funktion som bara handlar om BD-J och inte 1.1 hårdvaran så ska den funka lika bra i alla spelare(om den det inte gör det så får dom väl uppdatera spelarna)
Har märkt att många här har svårt att förstå detta.
Bra, säg det till Warner
'Blood Diamond'
Postad 26 April 2007 - 00:45
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Folk fattar inte att det bara är PiP det handlar om, inte mjukvara. släpper en studio någon "IME" funktion som bara handlar om BD-J och inte 1.1 hårdvaran så ska den funka lika bra i alla spelare(om den det inte gör det så får dom väl uppdatera spelarna)
Har märkt att många här har svårt att förstå detta.
Bra, säg det till Warner
??
Funktionerna som inte finns på BD utgåvan är väl relaterade till hårdvara?
Postad 26 April 2007 - 01:42
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HD-DVD Movie Sales Only 2k Behind Blu-ray
Most recent sales data shows formats almost neck and neck.
April 25, 2007 - The recent pres-release-bickering between the HD-DVD and Blu-ray camps isn't terribly new, though most previous spats have gone down in the midst of large trade shows. The most recent squabbling began when HD-DVD celebrated the format's birthday by announcing that 100,000 dedicated players had been sold, preserving the format's hardware lead, not counting the PlayStation 3 (story). Blu-ray fired back, announcing that Blu-ray movie sales had reached the 1,000,000-sold milestone, and added a little salt to the wound with the data that 70-percent of Q1 HD-movie sales were thanks to Blu-ray (story).
Today, HD-DVD's representatives from Webersh & Wick public relations wrote to IGN Gear directly with updated HD-DVD news. According to their figures, HD-DVD movie sales lag only 2,000 units behind Blu-ray with 998,059 units sold. The firm points out that pre-orders of Planet Earth and The Matrix Trilogy will propel HD-DVD over the million-mark quite shortly. Representatives also stated that hardware sales have continued with strength in April, maintaining a 4 to 1 margin over Blu-ray.
Though consumers would likely benefit to a resolution to this format war sooner rather than later, it's looking like the struggle may continue for quite some time. The upshot of it all, however, will be a long and amusing PR battle. Honestly, it's rare in technology to get this much back-and-forth in claims, counter claims, dueling sales statistics, and one sided announcements of victory, so kick back and enjoy it, maybe while rocking some undeniably pretty 1080p movies on the format of your choice.
Most recent sales data shows formats almost neck and neck.
April 25, 2007 - The recent pres-release-bickering between the HD-DVD and Blu-ray camps isn't terribly new, though most previous spats have gone down in the midst of large trade shows. The most recent squabbling began when HD-DVD celebrated the format's birthday by announcing that 100,000 dedicated players had been sold, preserving the format's hardware lead, not counting the PlayStation 3 (story). Blu-ray fired back, announcing that Blu-ray movie sales had reached the 1,000,000-sold milestone, and added a little salt to the wound with the data that 70-percent of Q1 HD-movie sales were thanks to Blu-ray (story).
Today, HD-DVD's representatives from Webersh & Wick public relations wrote to IGN Gear directly with updated HD-DVD news. According to their figures, HD-DVD movie sales lag only 2,000 units behind Blu-ray with 998,059 units sold. The firm points out that pre-orders of Planet Earth and The Matrix Trilogy will propel HD-DVD over the million-mark quite shortly. Representatives also stated that hardware sales have continued with strength in April, maintaining a 4 to 1 margin over Blu-ray.
Though consumers would likely benefit to a resolution to this format war sooner rather than later, it's looking like the struggle may continue for quite some time. The upshot of it all, however, will be a long and amusing PR battle. Honestly, it's rare in technology to get this much back-and-forth in claims, counter claims, dueling sales statistics, and one sided announcements of victory, so kick back and enjoy it, maybe while rocking some undeniably pretty 1080p movies on the format of your choice.
Postad 26 April 2007 - 01:53
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Postad 26 April 2007 - 01:58
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HD-DVD Movie Sales Only 2k Behind Blu-ray
Most recent sales data shows formats almost neck and neck.
April 25, 2007 - The recent pres-release-bickering between the HD-DVD and Blu-ray camps isn't terribly new, though most previous spats have gone down in the midst of large trade shows. The most recent squabbling began when HD-DVD celebrated the format's birthday by announcing that 100,000 dedicated players had been sold, preserving the format's hardware lead, not counting the PlayStation 3 (story). Blu-ray fired back, announcing that Blu-ray movie sales had reached the 1,000,000-sold milestone, and added a little salt to the wound with the data that 70-percent of Q1 HD-movie sales were thanks to Blu-ray (story).
Today, HD-DVD's representatives from Webersh & Wick public relations wrote to IGN Gear directly with updated HD-DVD news. According to their figures, HD-DVD movie sales lag only 2,000 units behind Blu-ray with 998,059 units sold. The firm points out that pre-orders of Planet Earth and The Matrix Trilogy will propel HD-DVD over the million-mark quite shortly. Representatives also stated that hardware sales have continued with strength in April, maintaining a 4 to 1 margin over Blu-ray.
Though consumers would likely benefit to a resolution to this format war sooner rather than later, it's looking like the struggle may continue for quite some time. The upshot of it all, however, will be a long and amusing PR battle. Honestly, it's rare in technology to get this much back-and-forth in claims, counter claims, dueling sales statistics, and one sided announcements of victory, so kick back and enjoy it, maybe while rocking some undeniably pretty 1080p movies on the format of your choice.
huh? BD har väl sålt 1.2 mille?
Postad 26 April 2007 - 02:46
Sony Europe Promotes Blu-ray with "Museum of Low Res" Website
In an unsual promotional effort for Blu-ray, Sony Europe has launched a tongue-in-cheek website called "The Museum of Low Resolution."
The flash-based interactive website is designed to showcase the capabilities of Blu-ray by imagining a world where low-res television is a distant memory, worthy of its own museum. Needlesstosay, in Sony's vision of the future, there is only one high-def disc format, and that format is Blu-ray.
Visitors to the site can tour three virtual exhibits: "Time Tunnel," "The Science Room," and "The Art of HD." All three rooms look at a series of fictional events leading up to the development of high-def disc, but "The Art of HD" room would seem to be the heart of the project, visually explaining the Blu-ray disc format through various interactive exhibits, ranging from a giant TV sculpture demonstrating the disc's resolution power, to a robotic arm sculpture highlighting its storage capacity.
Sony Europe developed the site with the appropriately-named London design firm, Hi-ReS.
In an unsual promotional effort for Blu-ray, Sony Europe has launched a tongue-in-cheek website called "The Museum of Low Resolution."
The flash-based interactive website is designed to showcase the capabilities of Blu-ray by imagining a world where low-res television is a distant memory, worthy of its own museum. Needlesstosay, in Sony's vision of the future, there is only one high-def disc format, and that format is Blu-ray.
Visitors to the site can tour three virtual exhibits: "Time Tunnel," "The Science Room," and "The Art of HD." All three rooms look at a series of fictional events leading up to the development of high-def disc, but "The Art of HD" room would seem to be the heart of the project, visually explaining the Blu-ray disc format through various interactive exhibits, ranging from a giant TV sculpture demonstrating the disc's resolution power, to a robotic arm sculpture highlighting its storage capacity.
Sony Europe developed the site with the appropriately-named London design firm, Hi-ReS.
Postad 26 April 2007 - 11:01
Bästa Hi-Def spelaren i Europa och USA råkar vara av en HD DVD spelare typ 
Postad 26 April 2007 - 11:47
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Blu-ray inte ens nära vinna formatkriget – analys
25 april 2007
Sony har aldrig lyckats
Formatkrig är aldrig vackra att skåda. Konsumenter luras till att tro att den senaste och bästa medieformen kommer att revolutionera allt, bara för att tre år senare titta tillbaka och hitta det under antikavdelningen på eBay. Det kanske är uppenbart att jag talar av egen erfarenhet, jag skulle kunna posta bilder på min ansenliga samling av laserdisc-skivor.
Vi såg exakt samma scenario med Sonys egna PSP-skivformat som gick under namnet UMD. Praktiskt taget alla toppstudior hoppade på det tåget, och sedan följde ett kortlivat uppsving av det portabla formatet. Sony skickade ut pressmeddelande efter pressmeddelande där de skröt om försäljningssiffrorna. Idag verkar företaget vara under tystnadsplikt och förhindrade att säga någonting överhuvudtaget om UMD-filmer eftersom försälningssiffrorna dök i botten i princip över en natt. Jag får en kusligt liknande känsla av Blu-ray
. Det finns, utan tvekan, ett antal personer som har köpt en PS3 och nu testar Blu-ray spelaren eftersom det är någonting nytt. PS3 står för mer än 75% av alla Blu-ray spelare som har sålts, och när detta fräscha nyhetsrus har lagt sig för icke-entusiasterna kanske inte marknaden för formatet ser så lovande ut längre. 
Sonys historia med nya format är väldokumenterad. Betamax , Super Audio CD, Write-Once optiska skivor, Super Density-skivor, Magneto-optical-skivor, och en handfull andra, har alla kommit från Sony. Du kan räkna antalet lyckade format av dessa på, ja, ingen hand alls. Svaret är noll. Sonys meritlista för formatkrig är dålig, riktigt dålig. Jag tror inte att Sony kan utropa sig som vinnare bara för att över 100 000 användare tittar på James Bond i HD på Casino Royale Blu-ray (filmen kommer gratis med många PS3-paket).
Visst, HD DVD har en lång väg att gå för att återetablera sig på marknaden, men formatet är fortfarande i allra högsta grad kvar i kampen. Om vi ser tillbaka på historien har filmstudior hoppat från format till format, flugor har dött med ett fingerknäpp, och det finns alltid en möjlighet för oförutsedda överraskningar som förändrar förutsättningarna radikalt. Allt detta har hänt tidigare, och det faktum att detta formatkrig följs så noggrant av media gör varje liten skiftning avgörande. Det kommer att ta åtminstone ett år till innan vi med säkerhet kan säga vilken sida som är vinnaren i formatkriget.
25 april 2007
Sony har aldrig lyckats
Formatkrig är aldrig vackra att skåda. Konsumenter luras till att tro att den senaste och bästa medieformen kommer att revolutionera allt, bara för att tre år senare titta tillbaka och hitta det under antikavdelningen på eBay. Det kanske är uppenbart att jag talar av egen erfarenhet, jag skulle kunna posta bilder på min ansenliga samling av laserdisc-skivor.
Vi såg exakt samma scenario med Sonys egna PSP-skivformat som gick under namnet UMD. Praktiskt taget alla toppstudior hoppade på det tåget, och sedan följde ett kortlivat uppsving av det portabla formatet. Sony skickade ut pressmeddelande efter pressmeddelande där de skröt om försäljningssiffrorna. Idag verkar företaget vara under tystnadsplikt och förhindrade att säga någonting överhuvudtaget om UMD-filmer eftersom försälningssiffrorna dök i botten i princip över en natt. Jag får en kusligt liknande känsla av Blu-ray
. Det finns, utan tvekan, ett antal personer som har köpt en PS3 och nu testar Blu-ray spelaren eftersom det är någonting nytt. PS3 står för mer än 75% av alla Blu-ray spelare som har sålts, och när detta fräscha nyhetsrus har lagt sig för icke-entusiasterna kanske inte marknaden för formatet ser så lovande ut längre. Sonys historia med nya format är väldokumenterad. Betamax
, Super Audio CD, Write-Once optiska skivor, Super Density-skivor, Magneto-optical-skivor, och en handfull andra, har alla kommit från Sony. Du kan räkna antalet lyckade format av dessa på, ja, ingen hand alls. Svaret är noll. Sonys meritlista för formatkrig är dålig, riktigt dålig. Jag tror inte att Sony kan utropa sig som vinnare bara för att över 100 000 användare tittar på James Bond i HD på Casino Royale Blu-ray (filmen kommer gratis med många PS3-paket). Visst, HD DVD har en lång väg att gå för att återetablera sig på marknaden, men formatet är fortfarande i allra högsta grad kvar i kampen. Om vi ser tillbaka på historien har filmstudior hoppat från format till format, flugor har dött med ett fingerknäpp, och det finns alltid en möjlighet för oförutsedda överraskningar som förändrar förutsättningarna radikalt. Allt detta har hänt tidigare, och det faktum att detta formatkrig följs så noggrant av media gör varje liten skiftning avgörande. Det kommer att ta åtminstone ett år till innan vi med säkerhet kan säga vilken sida som är vinnaren i formatkriget.
Postad 26 April 2007 - 12:01
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Xbox360 HDDVD drive for $72!!!!!!!!!!
Talk about a huge pile driver to the ps3's head! Sams Club members can now get a HDDVD drive for $72.54, yep as you can see above, sams club members are offloading the hddvd drive for 72$. Don't forget this baby works with the 360 and your PC!
On top of that for $72 this and the fact that Walmart has ordered those 2 million low cost hddvd players to go onsale soon. Does this mean that HDDVD is getting ready to MASSIVELY flood the market??? I mean at 72$ this babys hit the main pricepoint for a usb addon drive (for pc and 360) and with a 200$ hddvd standalone that's a HUGE deal! As hitting 200$ and under while a competitor is over 500-700$ normally is a huge point to whos getting ready to win the war. Will this surge in consumers with hddvd drives mean that we'll see more studios jumping to release HDDVD copies of their movies.
Talk about a huge pile driver to the ps3's head! Sams Club members can now get a HDDVD drive for $72.54, yep as you can see above, sams club members are offloading the hddvd drive for 72$. Don't forget this baby works with the 360 and your PC!
On top of that for $72 this and the fact that Walmart has ordered those 2 million low cost hddvd players to go onsale soon. Does this mean that HDDVD is getting ready to MASSIVELY flood the market??? I mean at 72$ this babys hit the main pricepoint for a usb addon drive (for pc and 360) and with a 200$ hddvd standalone that's a HUGE deal! As hitting 200$ and under while a competitor is over 500-700$ normally is a huge point to whos getting ready to win the war.
Will this surge in consumers with hddvd drives mean that we'll see more studios jumping to release HDDVD copies of their movies.
Postad 26 April 2007 - 13:05
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diabolo: Koller du någonsin källan till dina nyheter, eller tar du bara det som verkar vara mest HD-DVD propaganda och high-lightar/bold:ar dom största felen?
1. tomshardware.com nyheten är skräp, dom räknar alltså bort Compact Disc och en massa andra format/standarder...
2. Walmart nyheten har ingen substans alls.
3. Toshiba kan säga att dom räknar med att sälja 500M spelare, det som spelar roll är hur många dom faktiskt sålt. Att gå från 0.1M spelare till 3M spelare på ett år är en ökning på 3000%, köp Toshiba aktier om du tror på den "nyheten".
1. tomshardware.com nyheten är skräp, dom räknar alltså bort Compact Disc och en massa andra format/standarder...
2. Walmart nyheten har ingen substans alls.
3. Toshiba kan säga att dom räknar med att sälja 500M spelare, det som spelar roll är hur många dom faktiskt sålt. Att gå från 0.1M spelare till 3M spelare på ett år är en ökning på 3000%, köp Toshiba aktier om du tror på den "nyheten".
Postad 26 April 2007 - 13:12
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diabolo: Koller du någonsin källan till dina nyheter, eller tar du bara det som verkar vara mest HD-DVD propaganda och high-lightar/bold:ar dom största felen?
1. tomshardware.com nyheten är skräp, dom räknar alltså bort Compact Disc och en massa andra format/standarder...
2. Walmart nyheten har ingen substans alls.
3. Toshiba kan säga att dom räknar med att sälja 500M spelare, det som spelar roll är hur många dom faktiskt sålt. Att gå från 0.1M spelare till 3M spelare på ett år är en ökning på 3000%, köp Toshiba aktier om du tror på den "nyheten".
1) Skräp för dig mindre skräp för andra
2)Wal-Mart orders 2 million HD DVD players
Wal-Mart to release cut-price HD-DVD
Wal-mart to sell cheap Fuh Yuan made HD DVD Players
Sub-US$300 HD Disc Player Coming to Wal-Mart
WalMart to sell $199 HD-DVD player in Q4 2007?
Sen får vi vänta o se hur mycket det stämmer
3)0.1M USA inte worldwide
..sen om du vet något om Toshibas planer får du mer än gärna berätta för oss...skulle mer än gärna köpa Tosh aktier men så mycket pengar har jag inte
Redigerat av diabolo, 26 April 2007 - 15:29.
Postad 26 April 2007 - 13:23
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2. Dessa nyheter länkar alla indirekt till AVSforum, samtliga är spekulationer. Vi väntar på riktig nyhet tycker jag.diabolo: Koller du någonsin källan till dina nyheter, eller tar du bara det som verkar vara mest HD-DVD propaganda och high-lightar/bold:ar dom största felen?
1. tomshardware.com nyheten är skräp, dom räknar alltså bort Compact Disc och en massa andra format/standarder...
2. Walmart nyheten har ingen substans alls.
3. Toshiba kan säga att dom räknar med att sälja 500M spelare, det som spelar roll är hur många dom faktiskt sålt. Att gå från 0.1M spelare till 3M spelare på ett år är en ökning på 3000%, köp Toshiba aktier om du tror på den "nyheten".
1) Skräp för dig mindre skräp för andra
2)Wal-Mart orders 2 million HD DVD players
Wal-Mart to release cut-price HD-DVD
Wal-mart to sell cheap Fuh Yuan made HD DVD Players
Sub-US$300 HD Disc Player Coming to Wal-Mart
WalMart to sell $199 HD-DVD player in Q4 2007?
Sen får vi vänta o ses hur mycket det stämmer
3)0.1M USA inte worldwide
3. Tjaa.. köp aktier för 10,000 (borde du ha råd med), så kommer du ha 300,000 nästa år!
Postad 26 April 2007 - 13:30
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2. Dessa nyheter länkar alla indirekt till AVSforum, samtliga är spekulationer. Vi väntar på riktig nyhet tycker jag.
3. Tjaa.. köp aktier för 10,000 (borde du ha råd med), så kommer du ha 300,000 nästa år!
2) Här har du källan o det är inte AVSforumet
http://www.udn.com/2...5/3804769.shtml3) Du får mer än gärna låna mig
Postad 26 April 2007 - 15:35
Observers attributed the lift to the strength of "Aces," the week's top HD DVD seller, which was not available on Blu-ray. The film's distributor, Universal Pictures, is the leading supporter of the No. 2 format.
Postad 26 April 2007 - 15:52
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Observers attributed the lift to the strength of "Aces," the week's top HD DVD seller, which was not available on Blu-ray. The film's distributor, Universal Pictures, is the leading supporter of the No. 2 format.
"Aces" high on DVD charts
"On the high-def front, Blu-ray Disc titles accounted for 60% of sales, while HD DVD took 40%, nine points more than the previous week. Observers attributed the lift to the strength of "Aces," the week's top HD DVD seller, which was not available on Blu-ray. The film's distributor, Universal Pictures, is the leading supporter of the No. 2 format. The top-selling Blu-ray title for the week was "Casino Royale.""
Postad 26 April 2007 - 17:51
"Despite the major improvements in Blu-ray discs and players lately, I have to say that, based on my experience with the Toshiba HD-XA2. I think the HD-XA2 is among the best high-def disc players on the market today." 
Postad 26 April 2007 - 17:55
"If you've got a high definition flat panel or rear projection set, or better yet a true "Big Picture" front projection system, then you owe it to yourself to check out the HD-XA2. It takes standard DVD playback to the next level, and its HD-DVD playback capabilities will allow you to see a glimpse of what your display device can really do."
Postad 26 April 2007 - 18:37
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Inside info angående Wal-Mart dealen by Kosty AVSforum
Best Summary I have of the situation - from several sources
This is my best understanding of the situation. If you don't like it or are looking for concrete absolute confirmation, its not here, as no one I talked or messaged with can publicly confirm anything, and Wal-Mart probably won't say anything until these things are in stores. Some things are in progress and will have adjustments as time goes on.
This is based on information from several trusted sources. The mods have information on some of them. No one will go on the record, but the information is consistent from many sources.
If you think I am full of it, this won't change your mind. If you generally trust me as providing the best information I can to AVS, then realize I'm putting some credibility on the line here. Its possible I am being feed innacurate information, but unlikely as several unrelated people all basically agree. That being said, obviously situations can change in the future.
Ok, disclaimers being done, here's how I understand it from people who know about it.
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The Fuh Yuan base deal is done. They will be producing HD DVD players for Wal-Mart.
No one says the deal hasn't been done yet or that the initial order will not be completed. The posting on their web site is a bit confusing, and may be an attempt to stop people form contacting them directly.
I don't know about the significance of the recent post on their site, but it does not affect the base deal. That is in progress and sub-contracts have been made and finalized.
They are looking for the best price and availability they can give to Wal-mart for deliveries above the base amount.
Initial confirmed order quantities are over 1 Million units, its probable the 2 Million units initially mentioned in the first Fuh Yuan press release is the base number. Fuh Yuan has been asked to give quotes and estimates on how quickly numbers above the base quantity can be delivered next year.
Early estimates of full scale mass production in August were evaluated and found to be somewhat aggressive and possibly over optimistic. Physical assembly or staffing or the physical facility is not the issue, a short delay is SoC software related. Plant will be producing at that time but full scale production may slip until October, with initial batch quantities of 5-10 thousand units required to be available in the first week or so of October.
Recent meetings between Fuh Yuan and Broadcom engineers revised the schedule and engineering considerations have lead to the late August to early October production schedule slippage.
Fuh Yuan is making the chassis and loader and doing assembly.
Decoder chip and other silicon being supplied by Broadcom, probably the reference design announced at CES, or a derivative.
The optical unit is based on a Toshiba HD DVD unit design and is being manufactured by the TDK hardware unit under contract.
Wal-Mart has certified the China Great Wall manufacturing facility for Wal-Mart (probably for compliance with stuff like personnel management and environmental considerations) .
Probable limited production runs available in mid-late Oct in some selected Wal-Mart stores. Wal-Mart under control obviously of when they first start to sell the players, but some limited production available to them in October.
I have conflicting information on when the initial 2 million orders is scheduled to be delivered by. One source says all by end of 2007. Several others say, some in October, a lot (around 1 million or so ) by EOY 2007, with the rest in early 2008. The quantity produced by the end of the year may be dependent on the production throughput of the plant which is not known yet.
Its possible that under 50% of the initial 2 M units may be available by the end of the year. Big volume is expected in 2008 and as of now more than 50% of the 2M order is expected after the EOY.
Last Friday Fuh Yuan had a major meeting with Broadcom, perhaps feedback from Broadcom was the reason for the August to October full scale production delay. Broadcom may have to spin the chip or may have a delay in the completion of the embedded software or perhaps Broadcom wanted a bit of room in the overall software schedule.
Several other SoC player deals for HD DVD are now in the works. This isn't the only deal being worked on, though it is one of the largest and obviously significant because it involves Wal-Mart.
All major SoC guys like Broadcom and Sigma are working now on HD DVD solutions. Sigma's Blu-ray SoC solution is available but any units using it will not be in production before this Fuh Yuan device hits the shelves.
My sources for this include several prominent hardware guys in the industry that have been known as being creditable before and are both involved and non-involved in some aspect of the deal. The mods here know some names, but I cannot reveal the sources.
Nice, i like...how much?? [img]http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:pUZZ33zEPFK9HM:http://www.stuff.co.nz/images/277001.jpg[/img]
Best Summary I have of the situation - from several sources
This is my best understanding of the situation. If you don't like it or are looking for concrete absolute confirmation, its not here, as no one I talked or messaged with can publicly confirm anything, and Wal-Mart probably won't say anything until these things are in stores. Some things are in progress and will have adjustments as time goes on.
This is based on information from several trusted sources. The mods have information on some of them. No one will go on the record, but the information is consistent from many sources.
If you think I am full of it, this won't change your mind. If you generally trust me as providing the best information I can to AVS, then realize I'm putting some credibility on the line here. Its possible I am being feed innacurate information, but unlikely as several unrelated people all basically agree. That being said, obviously situations can change in the future.
Ok, disclaimers being done, here's how I understand it from people who know about it.
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The Fuh Yuan base deal is done. They will be producing HD DVD players for Wal-Mart.
No one says the deal hasn't been done yet or that the initial order will not be completed. The posting on their web site is a bit confusing, and may be an attempt to stop people form contacting them directly.
I don't know about the significance of the recent post on their site, but it does not affect the base deal. That is in progress and sub-contracts have been made and finalized.
They are looking for the best price and availability they can give to Wal-mart for deliveries above the base amount.
Initial confirmed order quantities are over 1 Million units, its probable the 2 Million units initially mentioned in the first Fuh Yuan press release is the base number. Fuh Yuan has been asked to give quotes and estimates on how quickly numbers above the base quantity can be delivered next year.
Early estimates of full scale mass production in August were evaluated and found to be somewhat aggressive and possibly over optimistic. Physical assembly or staffing or the physical facility is not the issue, a short delay is SoC software related. Plant will be producing at that time but full scale production may slip until October, with initial batch quantities of 5-10 thousand units required to be available in the first week or so of October.
Recent meetings between Fuh Yuan and Broadcom engineers revised the schedule and engineering considerations have lead to the late August to early October production schedule slippage.
Fuh Yuan is making the chassis and loader and doing assembly.
Decoder chip and other silicon being supplied by Broadcom, probably the reference design announced at CES, or a derivative.
The optical unit is based on a Toshiba HD DVD unit design and is being manufactured by the TDK hardware unit under contract.
Wal-Mart has certified the China Great Wall manufacturing facility for Wal-Mart (probably for compliance with stuff like personnel management and environmental considerations) .
Probable limited production runs available in mid-late Oct in some selected Wal-Mart stores. Wal-Mart under control obviously of when they first start to sell the players, but some limited production available to them in October.
I have conflicting information on when the initial 2 million orders is scheduled to be delivered by. One source says all by end of 2007. Several others say, some in October, a lot (around 1 million or so ) by EOY 2007, with the rest in early 2008. The quantity produced by the end of the year may be dependent on the production throughput of the plant which is not known yet.
Its possible that under 50% of the initial 2 M units may be available by the end of the year. Big volume is expected in 2008 and as of now more than 50% of the 2M order is expected after the EOY.
Last Friday Fuh Yuan had a major meeting with Broadcom, perhaps feedback from Broadcom was the reason for the August to October full scale production delay. Broadcom may have to spin the chip or may have a delay in the completion of the embedded software or perhaps Broadcom wanted a bit of room in the overall software schedule.
Several other SoC player deals for HD DVD are now in the works. This isn't the only deal being worked on, though it is one of the largest and obviously significant because it involves Wal-Mart.
All major SoC guys like Broadcom and Sigma are working now on HD DVD solutions. Sigma's Blu-ray SoC solution is available but any units using it will not be in production before this Fuh Yuan device hits the shelves.
My sources for this include several prominent hardware guys in the industry that have been known as being creditable before and are both involved and non-involved in some aspect of the deal. The mods here know some names, but I cannot reveal the sources.
Nice, i like...how much?? [img]http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:pUZZ33zEPFK9HM:http://www.stuff.co.nz/images/277001.jpg[/img]
Postad 26 April 2007 - 18:42
Very nice indeedInside info angående Wal-Mart dealen by Kosty AVSforum
Best Summary I have of the situation - from several sources
Postad 26 April 2007 - 20:25
"Despite the major improvements in Blu-ray discs and players lately, I have to say that, based on my experience with the Toshiba HD-XA2. I think the HD-XA2 is among the best high-def disc players on the market today."
"If you've got a high definition flat panel or rear projection set, or better yet a true "Big Picture" front projection system, then you owe it to yourself to check out the HD-XA2. It takes standard DVD playback to the next level, and its HD-DVD playback capabilities will allow you to see a glimpse of what your display device can really do."
Observers attributed the lift to the strength of "Aces," the week's top HD DVD seller, which was not available on Blu-ray. The film's distributor, Universal Pictures, is the leading supporter of the No. 2 format.
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Postad 26 April 2007 - 20:33
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HD DVD Title Sales Nearly Equal With Blu-ray Disc
HD DVD sales are less than 2,000 behind those of Blu-ray Disc
In a recent battle of press releases, the Blu-ray Association announced that sales of Blu-ray Disc titles have surpassed one million units in less than a year since the format’s introduction. In a statement from the HD DVD Promotional Group received by DailyTech, it appears that sales of HD DVD movies are not far behind those of Blu-ray Disc.
According to stats cited by the HD DVD Group, which are based on recent data from Nielsen Videoscan, Universal, Warner and Toshiba, HD DVD titles are now at 998,059 units sold, representing less-than 2,000 units shy of Blu-ray’s announced figures. Of course, while the next-generation formats fight over claims of collective sales of one million, a single DVD title could easily sell over one million units on its own.
“Yes, these are still small numbers compared to DVD sales, but point being – HD DVD is still very much in the game,” read the HD DVD Group statement. “As more HD DVD titles hit the market (take a look at pre-order rankings for Planet Earth and The Matrix Trilogy) and as prices for HD DVD hardware continue to drop below the $400 mark, we're seeing more equal week to week movie sales ratios between the formats.”
The HD DVD Promotional Group announced last week that it has sold more than 100,000 standalone players in the U.S. since introduction, and claims to be currently outselling dedicated Blu-ray players by a four-to-one margin.
“Why are we just focusing on dedicated players? So we can compare stats on similar hardware with similar attach rates,” explained the HD DVD Group. “That's a key driver of software sales and shows that price is clearly a factor for consumers in deciding to buy dedicated high definition hardware.”
“Bottom line is that HD DVD is staying focused across the board on creating great products at great prices,” the Group added.
HD DVD sales are less than 2,000 behind those of Blu-ray Disc
In a recent battle of press releases, the Blu-ray Association announced that sales of Blu-ray Disc titles have surpassed one million units in less than a year since the format’s introduction. In a statement from the HD DVD Promotional Group received by DailyTech, it appears that sales of HD DVD movies are not far behind those of Blu-ray Disc.
According to stats cited by the HD DVD Group, which are based on recent data from Nielsen Videoscan, Universal, Warner and Toshiba, HD DVD titles are now at 998,059 units sold, representing less-than 2,000 units shy of Blu-ray’s announced figures. Of course, while the next-generation formats fight over claims of collective sales of one million, a single DVD title could easily sell over one million units on its own.
“Yes, these are still small numbers compared to DVD sales, but point being – HD DVD is still very much in the game,” read the HD DVD Group statement. “As more HD DVD titles hit the market (take a look at pre-order rankings for Planet Earth and The Matrix Trilogy) and as prices for HD DVD hardware continue to drop below the $400 mark, we're seeing more equal week to week movie sales ratios between the formats.”
The HD DVD Promotional Group announced last week that it has sold more than 100,000 standalone players in the U.S. since introduction, and claims to be currently outselling dedicated Blu-ray players by a four-to-one margin.
“Why are we just focusing on dedicated players? So we can compare stats on similar hardware with similar attach rates,” explained the HD DVD Group. “That's a key driver of software sales and shows that price is clearly a factor for consumers in deciding to buy dedicated high definition hardware.”
“Bottom line is that HD DVD is staying focused across the board on creating great products at great prices,” the Group added.
Postad 26 April 2007 - 21:27
Lieberfarb accuses Japanese giant of behaving "like Samurai"
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Postad 26 April 2007 - 21:34
Jag är helt för Bluray som format, men jag skulle absolut inte köpa en spelare som bara tar bluray, jag kommer köpa PS3, men då är Bluray-spelaren en bonus. Men annars är kombospelarna att föredra!
Postad 26 April 2007 - 21:38
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Lieberfarb accuses Japanese giant of behaving "like Samurai"
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Addex kommer att fråga efter länken så
...Lieberfarb accuses Japanese giant of behaving "like Samurai"The former president of Warner Home Video has criticised Sony for the tactics it has employed in the battle of the next-gen DVD formats - and for dragging home entertainment companies into the console war.
In a speech delivered at the Perspectives in European Video conference, Warren Lieberfarb said: "If I put Blu-Ray in PlayStation and I don't license it to Microsoft for Xbox and I get all the studios to only publish in PlayStation, I'll beat Microsoft in the next-generation games market."
"We've been sucked into PlayStation versus Xbox."
Lieberfarb went on to compare Sony's strategies to those used by Samurai swordsmen, stating: "If you ever read The Art of War, you will see all of Sony's moves, including taking all its enemies in the same tent and then leaving them empty-handed. These are things that they have done historically."
"They did the same thing to Matsushita and Betamax, they did the same thing to Matsushita on compact disc, they did the same thing to Matsushita on the digital video camcorder," Lieberfarb continued.
"They compete like Samurai. It isn't the way we compete in the West."
Lieberfarb said that although it may look like Blu-Ray is set to win the battle of the next-gen formats, the war is not over yet.
"Hollywood blew it. They got duped. They could have created the format that optimized their creative interests. It looks like we lost, because there are six studios supporting Blu-Ray and only three supporting HD-DVD. But you know, there's always surprises," Lieberfarb stated.
He concluded by urging the industry to join Microsoft and Toshiba in supporting the HD-DVD format, telling the audience: "Convergence is here, everything is digital, the Internet is going to deliver video, you are going to want to pass information from one device to another and HD-DVD versus Blu-Ray is really the first battle in the issue of who controls the home."
Postad 26 April 2007 - 21:44
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O för de som inte vet vem han är...lite info Warren N Lieberfarb
Warren N. Lieberfarb, age 63, has been a director since September 2003. Mr. Lieberfarb is the Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of Warren N. Lieberfarb & Associates LLC, a media, entertainment and technology consulting and investment firm. From 1984 until December 2002, Mr. Lieberfarb was President of Warner Home Video, a subsidiary of Warner Bros. Entertainment and a global leader in the creation, distribution, and marketing of theatrical motion pictures and television programming on video/DVD. Mr. Lieberfarb currently serves on the Board of Directors and Board of Trustees of the American Film Institute and chairs its Entrepreneurial Committee. He also serves on the Board of Directors and is Vice Chairman of MOD Systems, a retail systems provider enabling in-store digital signage, sampling and fulfillment of music and video content. He is currently on the University of Pennsylvania Library Board of Overseers, the Undergraduate Executive Committee of The Wharton School, and previously was a member of the University's Board of Trustees from 2001 to 2005. Mr. Lieberfarb is also a member of the Academy of Motion Pictures Arts and Sciences.
Warren N. Lieberfarb, age 63, has been a director since September 2003. Mr. Lieberfarb is the Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of Warren N. Lieberfarb & Associates LLC, a media, entertainment and technology consulting and investment firm. From 1984 until December 2002, Mr. Lieberfarb was President of Warner Home Video, a subsidiary of Warner Bros. Entertainment and a global leader in the creation, distribution, and marketing of theatrical motion pictures and television programming on video/DVD. Mr. Lieberfarb currently serves on the Board of Directors and Board of Trustees of the American Film Institute and chairs its Entrepreneurial Committee. He also serves on the Board of Directors and is Vice Chairman of MOD Systems, a retail systems provider enabling in-store digital signage, sampling and fulfillment of music and video content. He is currently on the University of Pennsylvania Library Board of Overseers, the Undergraduate Executive Committee of The Wharton School, and previously was a member of the University's Board of Trustees from 2001 to 2005. Mr. Lieberfarb is also a member of the Academy of Motion Pictures Arts and Sciences.
Postad 26 April 2007 - 21:50
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Jag är helt för Bluray som format, men jag skulle absolut inte köpa en spelare som bara tar bluray, jag kommer köpa PS3, men då är Bluray-spelaren en bonus. Men annars är kombospelarna att föredra!
Vänta på Samsungs dual player SAMSUNG Electronics to Release Duo Hd Player
Postad 26 April 2007 - 22:59
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Universal France will release 60 titles (Gladiator, Scarface ...)
[img]http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:mJrSf2zqWzF-PM:http://www.havidaemmarkl.com/wp-content/2006/12/Borat-flag.jpg[/img] Wawawiwa!!!! I like
[img]http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:mJrSf2zqWzF-PM:http://www.havidaemmarkl.com/wp-content/2006/12/Borat-flag.jpg[/img] Wawawiwa!!!! I like
Postad 26 April 2007 - 23:13
underbart vill ha allt på HDDVD så fort som möjligt hehe, Universal får allt släppa Spielbergs filmer nu så HDDVD skjuter i höjden försäljningsmässigt..
Postad 26 April 2007 - 23:14
That's Nice too "Dreamworks"Universal France will release 60 titles (Gladiator, Scarface ...)
Frankrike nyheter från usa, inte illa...
Postad 26 April 2007 - 23:22
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Wal-Mart Shoots Down Cheap HD DVD Rumor
http://www.pcmag.com...,2122715,00.asp
Från samma artikel The :spokesperson added: "We expect that as prices decrease and new elements are added in the coming months that consumers will choose which format will dominate, and that could happen by the end of this year."
Redigerat av diabolo, 26 April 2007 - 23:25.
Postad 26 April 2007 - 23:25
Om man handlar från Wal-Mart vilken är billigast då?
Redigerat av Audio Code 3, 26 April 2007 - 23:26.
Postad 26 April 2007 - 23:26
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Wal-Mart Shoots Down Cheap HD DVD Rumor
http://www.pcmag.com...,2122715,00.asp
Från samma artikel :The spokesperson added: "We expect that as prices decrease and new elements are added in the coming months that consumers will choose which format will dominate, and that could happen by the end of this year."
Jupp, det är ju klart att dom kommer ta in nya BD spelare, och troligen även några som inte är officiella än
Postad 26 April 2007 - 23:28
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Om man handlar från Wal-Mart vilken är billigast då?
Ja precis, det jag sagt hela tiden, ###### konstigt att folk inte köper mer HD DVD filmer än vad dom gör när priset redan är så lågt... Vad ska en $299 spelare göra som en $350 spelare med 9 gratis filmer inte kan göra?
Postad 26 April 2007 - 23:29
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Jupp, det är ju klart att dom kommer ta in nya BD spelare, och troligen även några som inte är officiella än
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...ta några alvedon + treo o det går över, jag lovar dig
Postad 26 April 2007 - 23:34
Och nu är han i Stora HD DVD tråden och smutsar nedOm man handlar från Wal-Mart vilken är billigast då?
Ja precis, det jag sagt hela tiden, ###### konstigt att folk inte köper mer HD DVD filmer än vad dom gör när priset redan är så lågt... Vad ska en $299 spelare göra som en $350 spelare med 9 gratis filmer inte kan göra?
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