Blu-Ray framflyttat igen

Spelare är på väg så nu väntar vi på releasedatum för filmtitlarna... Bör ju finnas ute samtidigt som de första spelarna. Nu pratas det ju om våren beträffande spelare och här säger man första halvan av året. Så ska vi tolka det som tidigast i april och senast i juni kanske? Men det är väl datorvarianterna vi får se först. Kan det släppas filmtitlar innan de fristående spelarna kommer? Förhoppningsvis om det ska finnas bra säljargument för de fristående spelarna som t.ex. Pioneers lär knappast vara så billiga i sin första konsumentgeneration.


Dec 12, 2005 - Pioneer and Sigma Designs to Work on Full-Featured Blu-ray Player

Sigma Designs today announced it will work with Pioneer Corporation on the joint development of a full-featured Blu-ray DVD player using Sigma Designs' SMP8630 family of media processors. "Pioneer intends to be the first company to offer a high-quality, Blu-ray DVD player that contains all the key features expected from a consumer product under our brand name," said Russ Johnston, senior vice president of marketing and product planning for the home entertainment division of Pioneer Electronics (USA) Inc. "Sigma's SMP8630 family of chipsets provides a virtual system-on-chip solution for the hardware portion, enabling us to focus on software development and value-added features that extend beyond basic operation." Pioneer plans to introduce the new Blu-ray DVD player in the first half of 2006.

Är det någon som vet om de kommer vara bakåtkompatibla så man kommer kunna köra dvd-filmer i de ??

ganska intressant med HD/Blue ray..Hoppas de inte blir lika skadade som dvd blir när det kommer repor, inte för att jag har sånna problem eller så så attt jag repar skivor eller så men det skulle vara bra att det finns skvor med bra kvalitet som man altså hyr från butiken som fungerar felfritt...
För de är väl extra bra också? Blue-Ray skivorna, slitstarka&tåliga exempel..

Är det någon som vet vad en Playstation 3 kommer att kosta?

Funderar på denna som en instegsspelare för Blu-Ray filmer.

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Länk på ev. pris, går även att förboka ps3.

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Tyvärr kommer inte Blu-ray skivorna att ha någon skyddande "kassett". Eftersom HD-DVD inte har det så har även Blue-ray lägret skippat det. Det skulle naturligtvis fördyra produktionen och många anser att det inte ska vara något skyddshölje utan vara som nuvarande CD/DVD-skivor. Det skulle väl kanske även komplicera konstruktionen när Blu-ray spelarna ska klara spela nuvarande "nakna" skivor. Kanske man skulle få använda en "caddy" och lägga skivorna i. Några kanske minns Commodores CDTV? Dator med CD spelare som floppade. Ingen ville ju ha spel och program på CD när det fanns disketter... I alla fall måste skivorna läggas i den s.k. caddyn innan de kunde spelas.

Personligen tycker jag att det vore suveränt att kunna undvika skador på skivorna och jag skulle välkomna en sådan lösning. Dock tilltalar inte denna lösning de flesta konsumenter.

Dec 13, 2005 - TDK Prepares for Mass Production of Blu-ray Discs

TDK has commenced shipments of mass-production samples of 25GB and 50GB BD-R/BD-RE Blu-ray discs, which make use of TDK's originally developed hard coating technology DURABIS 2. The hard coating achieves a recording surface with extremely high resistance to scratches and dirt (particularly fingerprint smudges), thus enabling anxiety-free use of a cartridge-less disc. TDK is confident that the BD-R and BD-RE, freed from the confines of a cartridge, will offer their large capacities with greater facility, thus greatly expanding the potential of optical recording. Mass production at TDK's Chikumagawa Techno Factory, which specializes in optical discs, will commence upon issue of licensing for the bare disc.
Read more: TDK

DTS Demonstrates DTS-HD Master Audio For First Time At CES 2006

First Public Demonstration Of High Definition Video Content Played With 7.1 Channels Of High Definition Audio

Agoura Hills, CA – At the 2006 CES (Consumer Electronics Show), DTS, Inc. (NASDAQ: DTSI) will premiere DTS-HD Master Audio, the company’s high definition surround sound solution for next generation high definition media. This marks the first public demonstration of high definition video content shown in conjunction with 7.1 discrete channels of surround sound that is bit-for-bit identical to the master soundtrack. Previously announced as DTS-HD, DTS-HD Master Audio has been selected as an option in the standards for the upcoming Blu-ray Disc and HD DVD media formats. The company will be holding demonstrations of DTS-HD Master Audio throughout CES, January 5-8, 2006 at the Las Vegas Convention Center, North Hall Room #N242.

Presented in 1080p super high definition video, this dramatic demonstration will include clips of major Hollywood feature films, concert videos and music videos seen and heard for the first time in both high definition video and audio. The program soundtrack was produced by Illustrious UK, which combines the talents of Martyn Ware (The Human League, Heaven 17) and Vince Clarke (Erasure, Yaz), who have become two of the most in-demand surround sound producers in the UK today.

“The consumer electronics industry is entering a new era, and DTS is pushing the envelope by making the home entertainment experience completely come alive,” said Jon Kirchner, President and CEO of DTS. “With DTS-HD Master Audio, for the first time we have sound that matches high definition video images and allows people to truly live the high definition life.”

In addition to producing audio so pure and accurate it is identical to the master soundtrack and having 7.1-channel discrete sound capability, DTS-HD Master Audio is also compatible with existing generation equipment and can deliver a significant increase in sound quality when consumers play the next generation discs and players through their current A/V equipment. DTS-HD Master Audio is an extension of Coherent Acoustics, which is the digital codec upon which all of DTS’ audio technologies in the consumer electronics space are based, and was built from design to be highly flexible in anticipation of future requirements and applications.

DTS-HD Master Audio is expected to launch in a variety of the new high definition players and A/V receivers planned for introduction throughout 2006 from major manufacturers.

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In addition to producing audio so pure and accurate it is identical to the master soundtrack and having 7.1-channel discrete sound capability, DTS-HD Master Audio is also compatible with existing generation equipment and can deliver a significant increase in sound quality when consumers play the next generation discs and players through their current A/V equipment.

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Man har ju varit lite skraj att man skulle behöva byta receiver för ljudets skull när HD kommer, men det verkar inte behövas alltså? Låter nästan lite för bra för att vara sant...

Kan bara hålla med vad någon sa före mig, man tappar nästan lusten att uppgradera sina hembioprylar. Hade tänkt köpa en finare dvd-spelare till hösten (15-20000) kr men nu vet jag inte hur jag skall göra. Tror inte jag orkar vänta tills dessa spelare släpps dock. Någon som vet ifall de kommer att vara bakåtkompatibla med vanliga dvd's? Så inte hela dvd-samlingen är "värdelös" om nåt år med.

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Jag tror inte du behöver lägga så mycket pengar på att uppgradera din dvd.Kolla in pioneer 668.Bättre bild än så är svårt att få.Kolla gärna upp den,jag tror att du kommer att bli nöjd!.

In addition to producing audio so pure and accurate it is identical to the master soundtrack and having 7.1-channel discrete sound capability, DTS-HD Master Audio is also compatible with existing generation equipment and can deliver a significant increase in sound quality when consumers play the next generation discs and players through their current A/V equipment.

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Man har ju varit lite skraj att man skulle behöva byta receiver för ljudets skull när HD kommer, men det verkar inte behövas alltså? Låter nästan lite för bra för att vara sant...

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Har du multichanel-in och 7.1 kanaler är det ju bara att köpa en Blue-Ray/HD-DVD spelare med multichanel-out.

värt att köpa en dvd spelare för 24000 kr elr inte nu när blueray kommer? antar att det kommer att ta ett tag innan det kommer in på marknaden.. jag prioriterar även musik mycket och nya blueray spelarna kanske inte är lika bra som cd spelare?

i mitt fall hade jag tänkt att köpa dvd30 (primare) vore det bara dumt?

Frasen "can deliver a significant increase in sound quality when consumers play the next generation discs and players through their current A/V equipment" låter som att man kan få en något bättre kvalitet med dagens förstärkare men inte fullt ut. Dvs någon form av nersampling. Lite som att dagens DVD spelare ofta har options för nersampling av tex DD till PCM etc.

Det har ju talats om kvaliteter liknande DVD-Audio och det ryms ju inte in en vanlig koax eller S/PDIF optisk kabel utan kräver Firewire vilket få förstärkare har.

Skulle tro att det är en orsak att Pioneer inte har släppt sin efterföljare till AX-10'an ännu utan de väntar så att den kan klara den nya audio codecs som kommer med Blu-ray och HD-DVD.

(Yes, man kan köra 5.1/7.1 analogt ut från en kommande Blu-ray/HD-DVD spelare med full bandbredd in i (ny) förstärkare. Jag gör själv så idag med min nyare DVD och något äldre receiver. Men hur kul är det om förstärkaren har rumskorrigering? Då kopplas ju den förbi.)

Pioneers BDR-101A släpps snart...

http://www.tgdaily.c..._blu_ray_drive/

Frågan är bara vad prislappen landar på.

Som inlägg ovan men från Pioneer själva.

Pioneer Launches One of Industry's First PC-Based Blu-ray Disc Drives
Revolutionary Technology Results in Five-fold Increase of Storage Capacity

December 27, 2005

Pioneer Electronics (USA) Inc. today announced one of the industry’s first Blu-ray Disc computer drives, expected to revolutionize digital and high-definition media storage. The new Pioneer BDR-101A will utilize shorter wavelength blue lasers in order to store up to 25 gigabytes of information on a single layer Blu-ray Disc. It is expected to begin shipping in the first quarter of 2006.

This first generation product will be targeted primarily to professional users and serious enthusiasts, generally the first to adopt new technology. In particular, content creators will depend on Blu-ray Disc writers to test and evaluate high definition consumer Blu-ray Disc titles during the authoring process before replication. The drive will come equipped with a data recording application to transfer digital files to Blu-ray Discs.

As the market for high definition video camcorders grows, users will increasingly rely on the Blu-ray Disc drive to store massive amounts of HD video. Likewise, a person with a television tuner on his or her personal computer could use the drive to record high definition television shows for later viewing. The drive also will be able to play consumer Blu-ray Disc movie titles on BD-ROM discs and will play and record standard DVD media.

As one of the first products to utilize Blu-ray Disc technology, the drive significantly increases storage capacity, while reducing the number of discs currently needed to back up computer hard drives, digital files and applications.

“Storage capacity in a stable medium is critical,” said Andy Parsons, senior vice president at Pioneer Electronics (USA) Inc. “A few years ago, no one could imagine needing more storage than available on a CD-R. Yet today, we need multiple DVDs just to back up the numerous photo and video files on our computers. Blu-ray Disc technology fulfills the rapidly growing need for more storage space and Pioneer is proud to be one of the first companies bringing it to market.”

The half height BDR-101A Blu-ray Disc/DVD writer will read BD-ROM/R/RE, DVD-ROM/DVD-R/DVD-RW and +R/+RW discs. It offers the following write speeds:
BD-R/RE (2X)
DVD-R/+R (8X)
DVD-RW/+RW (4X)

Pioneer has been an innovator of optical disc technology since it brought LaserDisc, the precursor to DVD, to market in 1980. Pioneer went on to introduce the first DVD writer for computer use in 1997, the first DVD recorder as a VCR replacement in 1999, the first DVD/CD writer for home computer users in 2001 and surpassed 5 million sales of DVD writers in 2003. The company now leads the market with the introduction of this new Blu-ray Disc drive. Pioneer Corporation is one of the Blu-ray Disc Founders.

Pioneer Electronics (USA) Inc. is headquartered in Long Beach, Calif., and its U.S. Web address is www.pioneerelectronics.com. Its parent company, Pioneer Corporation, is a leader in optical disc technology and a preeminent manufacturer of high-performance audio, video and computer equipment for the home, car and business markets. The company focuses on four core business domains including DVD, display technologies, Digital Network Entertainment™ and components.
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Fate of high-def DVD may lie with Microsoft

MADISON, Wis. — After months of intense wrangling between the competing Blu-ray and HD-DVD groups, the battle lines in the war over a next-generation high-definition DVD format have moved to the doorstep of Microsoft Corp.

Several industry sources last week told EE Times that Microsoft is muscling into the optical-disk fray by leveraging its operating-system clout to bundle HD-DVD within Vista, the company's next-generation OS. There is also talk that the software giant may be planning to offer cash incentives — in the form "coupons" — to system vendors or retailers if they agree to support HD-DVD. Such coupons would provide "credits" or "memos" for each PC that is sold with HD-DVD inside.

Many consumer electronics companies in the Blu-ray camp are scrambling to figure out, respond to and possibly preempt the next move by the world's largest — and richest — computer software maker.

Microsoft would neither confirm nor deny such reports. Asked about financial incentives the company might be dangling in front of PC OEMs to lure them into the HD-DVD camp, a spokesman said, "Microsoft doesn't comment on the details of meetings we've had with our partners."

One fact, however, is hard to miss: In the short span of two months, Microsoft has gotten through to Hewlett-Packard Co. HP, which still sits on the board of the Blu-ray Disc Association and previously supported the Blu-ray format exclusively, joined the HD-DVD Forum earlier this month. This semi-reversal came in the wake of a series of meetings with Microsoft, said Maureen Weber, general manager of HP's Personal Storage Business.

In October, when Microsoft and Intel Corp. announced their support for HD-DVD, Weber warned of "legal implications, if Microsoft is using its dominance in the operating system market — virtually a monopoly — to play favorites and hurt the competition" (see www.eet.com/news/latest/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=171202192).

Asked whether Microsoft is now doing just that, Weber said that in the end, "It's about money and the cost to the PC industry." Whereas the overall Blu-ray royalty structure adds up to $30 per PC drive, she said, everything a PC vendor needs to support HD-DVD "comes free, shipped and integrated with Vista — Microsoft Corp.'s next-generation operating system."

Most PC companies have no choice but to support Vista in the Microsoft-dominant OS market.

Still, many consumer electronics executives involved in negotiations with PC OEMs believe there is more to the story of HP's flip. Some sources expect clarifications and new developments to emerge within the next several weeks, shedding light on the decision.

Dell Inc., for its part, has no intention of switching its support from Blu-ray, Brian Zucker, a Dell technology strategist who sits on the Blu-Ray DVD committee, told EE Times. "The only reasons we would make a change would be if we saw significant customer demand not to back the format we have been working on," he added.

Dell, which was not involved in defining the original CD or DVD specifications, decided a couple of years ago that it was important to get involved in the current format discussions. "This time we wanted to work upstream a little bit more, particularly as we are getting more interested in the digital home," Zucker said.

Dell chose Blu-ray for two reasons: its higher capacity (25 Gbytes for an entry-level disk, compared with about 15 Gbytes for a basic HD-DVD) and its longer list of industry backers. Two years later, Dell now feels it has a vested interest in Blu-ray because it helped make sure the spec represented its customers' interests, Zucker said.

Zucker added that he has no idea why Dell's major partners — Intel and Microsoft — are opposing Blu-ray and backing HD-DVD. In his opinion, slight differences in the copy protection scheme for Blu-ray will not prevent users from making so-called "managed copies" of content on the disks, a feature that he said was a priority for both camps.

Intel provides no optical-disk technology, so a difference of opinion between Dell and Intel on the subject has little impact on the PC maker. Likewise, Microsoft, which does not make optical drives, has a history of letting third-party software companies supply key optical-disk support rather than write its own optical-disk code into Windows.

Given that history, the overarching question for many industry watchers is: Why is Microsoft now siding with HD-DVD, a format that has generated relatively little enthusiasm among Hollywood studios and hardware vendors?

While Dell may have no idea about Microsoft's motives, those in the consumer electronics industry have several theories.

Many, who spoke on condition of anonymity, believe Microsoft is committed to prolonging the format war, not necessarily winning the battle for HD-DVD. Rather, they say, HD-DVD is a Trojan horse, rolled into the format war to create advantages in battles yet to be fought — especially against Sony Corp.

Xbox vs. Playstation

Consider, for example, Microsoft's Xbox 360. The new game console is already on the market despite the absence of a high-definition strategy, said one source. The Xbox 360 is based on a current-generation DVD drive. The longer the next-generation high-definition DVD format battle persists, the better the opportunity for Microsoft to downplay the HD capability scheduled for integration in Sony's upcoming Blu-ray-based Playstation 3 game machine.

Second, a drawn-out high-definition optical-disk format battle helps Microsoft buy time to promote its connected-home strategy. By undercutting the value of standalone prerecorded media devices, Microsoft hopes to accelerate a consumer electronics transition into the brave new world of "downloadable" content, some observers say.

As Peter Barrett, chief technology officer of the Microsoft TV Division, explains it, the company believes that "the point of integration, the point of convergence, is the service, not the device" (see Interview, page 1).

In Microsoft's view, next-generation consumer devices will no longer be simply connected to one-way broadcast or removable media. Rather, the company envisions HD-DVD players tied to the network via subscription services. In essence, said a longtime Microsoft observer, by leveraging its .Net strategy, Microsoft "wants to become the telephone company of the living room."

Third, the classic battle between Microsoft and CE companies always comes down to the stickiest issue: to Java or not to Java.

For Microsoft, hoping to establish control over the software platform in the living room, support for HD-DVD is critical in this regard. The format uses iHD, an XML-based technology, to add interactivity, rather than Sun Microsystems Inc.'s Java language.

In contrast, consumer electronics companies are committed to deploying the Java-based Multimedia Home Platform in the Blu-ray format. MHP has already established itself in the TV world as the standard platform upon which to offer interactivity. MHP is widely used in Europe, and is the foundation of CableLabs' Open Cable Application Platform and the Advanced Television Systems Committee's Advanced Common Application Platform in the United States.

"For MHP, the industry already has development tools, experience and a growing installed base that will grow regardless of any DVD decision," said Stu Lipoff, partner at IP Action Partners (Newton, Mass.).

The Java-averse Microsoft "is trying to displace MHP so that they have a big dog in the fight," he said.

Meanwhile, Microsoft is blaming Blu-ray's use of Java for its potentially much higher royalties. Java-based Blu-ray format royalties include the licensing of the Globally Executable MHP standard, the cost of a Java test kit from Sun Microsystems and the cost of BD-Java, the version on which the Blu-ray Disc format is built, said HP's Weber.

PCs don't need Java because they already offer interactivity. In contrast, consumer electronics companies do need Java to make their end products interactive. Just as consumer electronics manufacturers regard integrating Microsoft's Windows as overkill, HP feels that Java in a PC platform is too costly.

Big backers

Until Microsoft stepped into the battle, the Blu-ray Disc format was gaining ground steadily over HD-DVD, with support from a majority of major studios in Hollywood — with the exception of NBC Universal — and a much longer list of hardware companies than HD-DVD can boast. Besides Dell and fellow computer maker Apple, supporters include Hitachi, LG Electronics, Matsushita (Panasonic), Mitsubishi, Philips, Pioneer, Samsung, Sharp, Sony, TDK and Thomson.

But even with that list of heavyweights, nobody is declaring a Blu-ray victory, because everyone understands the sheer power Microsoft can — and often does — exercise, all by itself.

Among familiar Microsoft tactics is to offer incentives — promotions, discounts and credits — to PC OEMs. If a certain percentage of an OEM's systems use Windows, Microsoft typically chips in on advertising campaigns and co-sponsors promotional events. When a PC manufacturer is living on a 3 percent margin, such market-development payments or volume-discount rebates can be make-or-break factors. Some industry observers have termed these in-kind subsidies from Microsoft "the heroin of the PC industry."

Asked whether Microsoft was offering Dell or anyone else financial incentives to join the HD-DVD consortium, Dell's Zucker said, "I have not heard anything about that, nor would I comment on it."

The last few months have seen a tug-of-war between the Blu-ray and HD-DVD camps over HP and Dell. Negotiations that played out at a very high level, according to sources familiar with the situation, resulted in HP's flip and Dell's refusal to budge.

Cause for anxiety

But even as they claim victory by keeping Dell on board, Blu-ray backers are not anxiety-free. Consumer electronics manufacturers recognize the expanding role played by the PC platform in the home. "While the major next-generation DVD market will be based on dedicated DVD player platforms, there is a substantial and growing market for playback on PCs," said Lipoff of IP Action Partners. "Microsoft, then, can add the needed digital rights management to the Windows operating system for a more-seamless and perhaps higher-security protection of the content than would be possible for DRM software that is an add-in."

No one in the consumer industry can ever safely ignore the Microsoft/Intel support for HD-DVD. On the other hand, there is no assurance that the alliance within the Blu-ray group, now united against Microsoft, will remain tight forever. Ben Keen, chief analyst at Screen Digest, a London-based market research firm, said, "One of the most potentially divisive elements in the Blu-ray camp is Sony undercutting all the CE products with a Playstation 3 that does everything a Blu-ray player will do — and much more."

— Additional reporting by Rick Merritt.

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In addition to producing audio so pure and accurate it is identical to the master soundtrack and having 7.1-channel discrete sound capability, DTS-HD Master Audio is also compatible with existing generation equipment and can deliver a significant increase in sound quality when consumers play the next generation discs and players through their current A/V equipment.

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Man har ju varit lite skraj att man skulle behöva byta receiver för ljudets skull när HD kommer, men det verkar inte behövas alltså? Låter nästan lite för bra för att vara sant...

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Har du multichanel-in och 7.1 kanaler är det ju bara att köpa en Blue-Ray/HD-DVD spelare med multichanel-out.

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Jo, jag har receiver som klarar det, men jag trodde de menade att man skulle kunna fortsätta att köra med digital överföring. Fast det verkar ändå konstigt för bitraten måste väl ändå skjuta i höjden om de ökar kvalitén på ljudet och jag trodde inte dagens digitala överföring (koax eller optisk) skulle kunna klara det.

JAN. 4 | The Mission: Impossible and Lord of the Rings trilogies as well as Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire and Peter Jackson’s King Kong all will be released on high-definition digital discs this year.

At the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas this week, almost every studio is expected to announce the first slate of high-def digital disc titles coming to market in 2006. More than 75 new and old movies and TV shows are expected with the introduction of the first DVD player, with dozens and maybe hundreds more by the end of the year.

Sony Pictures Home Entertainment, the studio with the most at stake in its Blu-ray Disc format, is being the most aggressive with plans to introduce the upcoming theatrical release Underworld Evolution day-and-date with the DVD in late spring/early summer. The studio will have 20 Sony and MGM titles including XXX and Robocop ready to go even earlier, when players are expected to be released as early as March.

Sony also will release four catalog titles each month beginning this summer, every new theatrical release day-and-date on DVD and Blu-ray Disc and the first high-def version of a TV series to be announced so far from a major studio, Stargate: Atlantis.

Additionally, Sony is going out on a limb and committing to the debut of two titles--Bridge on the River Kwai and Black Hawk Down--using the 50GB dual-layer Blu-ray Disc, which has been running behind development time from the standard 25GB single-layer disc.

The studio also is announcing plans Wednesday for summer titles featuring advanced interactive gaming using the BD Java software, which has sparked some dissension from Hewlett-Packard within the Blu-ray Disc camp. SPHE president Ben Feingold said the process is too far along now to turn back and not use BD Java.

As for the 50GB dual-layer disc, Feingold said both movies have long running times as well as hours of bonus features that the studio has produced but been unable to release on DVD because they take up too much space.

Sony also will take advantage of the enormous additional capacity to use uncompressed audio on some of its Blu-ray Disc titles, including two Sony/MGM titles in the first wave--The Fifth Element and The Last Waltz. Sony execs say that even movie theaters do not offer uncompressed digital audio.

Feingold said he expects to ship 50,000 to 100,000 units of each of the first titles, as compared to the 60,000 or so units for each of the first five movies shipped for PSP.

Other Blu-ray Disc backers, 20th Century Fox, Lionsgate and Paramount, announced their lineup of titles as well. Disney will announce its titles and other plans at a Blu-ray Disc media event at CES on Thursday evening.

20th Century Fox Home Entertainment president Mike Dunn said the studio will have five titles, including Fantastic Four and Ice Age, in stores two weeks prior to the release of the first Blu-ray Disc player by any manufacturer. Fox will release 20 titles by summer, also debuting most new theatrical titles day-and-date on DVD and Blu-ray.

Each title will have at least one feature unique to the new format and will include 10% to 20% of the bonus features from previously released or new DVDs and 80% new bonus elements, such as advanced branching and menus and including added value programming accessed through connections to other devices such as the Internet.

Fox also is preparing two sci-fi titles to be announced later that will take advantage of the extra capacity of the 50GB dual-layer disc.

“We have material that we set aside a long time ago for these,” Dunn said. “We’ve been working up to this and cataloging content for two years.”

Lionsgate will release its traditional new-format driver Terminator 2 among its first wave of high-def movies. Company president Steve Beeks said Lionsgate will be ready to release as many as 10 titles as early as March or April or whenever the first players hit the market.

Beeks said the studio already has plans to encode some features using the new technology, which he said will represent the “killer app” for the format, but he declined to discuss those components.

Paramount is one of several studios opting to release titles in both the Blu-ray Disc and its incompatible rival, HD DVD. The studio is announcing Wednesday at CES that it will have more than a dozen titles ready to go for both formats at launch and later this year, including the Mission: Impossible trilogy, the most recent of which is being released in theaters this summer.

But Paramount president Tom Lesinski said the studio will determine its own definition of what constitutes a “launch” of high-def digital disc players in the market.

A few hundred or a few thousand players at select retailers will not be enough to motivate Paramount to release product, he said.

“When we know there’s enough product out there, we will determine that to be a launch and will then put out product,” Lesinski said.

He predicted that timeframe will be summer or possibly late spring.

Title announcements are expected late Wednesday at CES from other studios planning to release on both formats. Those include Warner, New Line and HBO, as well as the lone studio supporting only the HD DVD format, Universal, though Universal is said to be close to announcing it also will release in Blu-ray.

Amazon.com lists many of the titles from those studios already, including Universal’s King Kong and The Bourne Supremacy; Warner’s Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire, Batman Begins and Friends; New Line’s The Lord of the Rings trilogy and Seven; and HBO’s Band of Brothers.

Studios would not confirm the accuracy of those titles Tuesday.

None of the studio execs believe the new high-def format will drive any meaningful revenue for their studios this year, but they say it will entice the early adopters and set up more significant growth in 2007 and 2008. But Lionsgate’s Beeks said high-def, which he describes as a “replacement” format, will not grow as fast as DVD, which was more of a dramatic shift from videocassettes.

Beeks noted that high-def discs require two purchases by consumers: a high-def TV/monitor and a high-def player.

Studio execs also are not announcing pricing for the new titles yet, though Feingold said Sony might announce pricing as early as next week or as soon as release dates are set.

RoboCop i HD direkt! Det är ett givet köp redan innan jag fått tag på Bluray spelare.

Men jag undrar hur de ska kunna få till bra bild från den gamla mastern. På DVD har ju inte bilden varit särskilt bra. Repor och smuts lite här o var i filmen...

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Toshiba HDDVD @ $499

Det bara öser ut mer nyheter de senaste dagarna än vad det gjort de senaste månaderna.....

LAS VEGAS — Leading consumer electronics manufacturers in the competing HD DVD and Blu-ray Disc camps scrambled to announce market plans for their high-definition optical disk players at the Consumer Electronics Show here Wednesday (Jan. 4).

The HD disk players, carrying prices ranging from $499 to $1,800, are slated to become available as early as March, though some will not emerge until the second half of the year.

The strategy of the two camps appears to be taking two different directions. While the HD DVD group seems more intent on hitting the market as soon as possible at a competitive price, Blu-ray promoters remain vague about their launching schedules and pricing.

Though less evident in these product announcements, the lack of Advanced Access Content System (AACS) licensing could still delay the final product launch for either HD DVD or Blu-ray backers, since both systems use AACS.

HD DVD backer Toshiba is leading the pack with plans to introduce, possibly by March, two HD DVD player models — priced at $499 and $799. Both models support H.264 and VC-1, as well as MPEG-2, using a new video decoder chip developed by Broadcom. The two models also connect to HDTV sets via a High-Definition Multimedia Interface (HDMI), and offer copy-protected HD content in native format of the HD DVD disk content of either 720p or 1080i.

Features included in the two Toshiba models are identical, according to Yoshihiro Matsumoto, president of Toshiba America Consumer Products LLC. While Toshiba expects to ship this spring 10,000 HD DVD players per month in the U.S., Toshiba’s Matsumoto acknowledged that the company’s March launch of HD DVD players "still depends on the availability of AACS licensing and popular movie titles."

Meanwhile, Pioneer will ship in May a consumer Blu-ray player capable of 1080p resolution with HDMI interfaces, Dolby and DTS sound — for a whopping $1,800.

The price tag for Pioneer’s Blu-ray player shocked many industry observers. "They have completely crossed over into La-La Land," said Rob Enderle, analyst with the Enderle Group (San Jose, Calif.).

Pioneer thinks otherwise. "It’s our belief this is an early-adopter market more interested in quality than low cost," said Andy Parsons, a senior vice president for product development at Pioneer Electronics (USA) Inc. (Long Beach, Calif.). Asked for reaction to the promise of $500 HD DVD drives by March, Parsons called this pricing tactic "a very drastic measure."

"Anytime we have seen people try to accelerated adoption by lowering price, they have gotten their heads cut off," Parsons added.

The Pioneer executive said the HD DVD camp will not enjoy a time-to-market advantage because both groups are waiting for the AACS group to finish work on copy protection. Issues still being debated at AACS include licensing terms, whether to allow HD analog output for older HDTVs and the "compliance and robustness rules for managed copies," said Parsons.

The AACS Licensing Administrator (AACS LA) founded by IBM, Intel, Microsoft, Sony, Panasonic, Toshiba, Walt Disney and Warner Brothers, is developing the copy protection system, a specification for managing content stored on future pre-recorded and recorded optical media for PCs and consumer devices.

Chris Buma, program manager at Philips Consumer Electronics (Eindhoven, Netherlands), said the AACS group agreed to offer "an interim license" while continuing to work on the final AACS spec, including such issues as whether AACS permits an analog output.

But the situation could be even more complex for Blu-ray promoters who will need to implement both AACS and another copy protection system called BD+.

BD+, designed to augment AACS, is derived from a set of technologies from Cryptography Research Inc (CRI). Sony and Panasonic modified CRI’s technology, called Self Protecting Digital Content, rather than licensing it from CRI. They also adapted it to the needs of Fox, while at the same time simplifying it somewhat for the BD spec, according to industry sources.

HD DVD proponents, including Microsoft, believe AACS and BD+ could seriously delay Blu-ray for both CE and PC company implementation of Blu-ray.

Panasonic will launch Blu-ray players this summer at an undisclosed price. Philips has promised delivery of Blu-ray players in the second half of this year. Philips did not disclose pricing information. LG Electronics is introducing Blu-ray players in April or May, but offered no details on price.

Separately, Sharp said it will ship a Blu-Ray player this summer, though it was silent on specifications or pricing.

Thomson, also a founding member of Blu-ray, announced today the company’s plan to launch a HD DVD player at $499 in the second quarter. The company's spokesman said the introduction of Blu-ray players "could still happen, but for now, we are sticking to HD DVD."

Many Blu-ray backers appear to be banking on Sony’s success with Playstation 3, which is scheduled to incorporate Blu-ray disk drives. Playstation 3 alone will ensure shipment of some 4 million to 7 million Blu-Ray drives in the first year, according to Pioneer’s Parsons. In addition, as many as 60 movie titles from four studios are already in the works for Blu-Ray, he added.

Sony executives were mum here on Wednesday about details for Playstation 3. They instead stressed the continuing success of Playstation 2.

One Sony official said Playstation 3 was slated to be introduced in the spring, but declined to be more specific. Another Sony official said he was fairly certain Playstation 3 would incorporate Blu-ray drives.

Nudging the content work along, Pioneer also announced it will ship in March a 5-Gbyte, half-height Blu-Ray recorder priced at $995 and aimed at commercial PC users mastering movie content for the format. It will include basic video-mastering tools.

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Jan. 5 (Bloomberg) -- Sony Corp., the world's second-biggest consumer electronics maker, will begin selling Blu-ray DVD players in the U.S. this summer, about three months after models using Toshiba Corp.'s high-definition format go on sale.

Blu-ray technology offers better picture quality and can store more data than standard DVDs, Sony said at a presentation in Las Vegas, where the Consumer Electronics Show starts today. It didn't disclose a price. Toshiba, Japan's fourth-biggest maker of electronics, will sell its HD DVD machines for about $500 and $800 from March, spokesman Mark Knox said in an interview.

Sony and Toshiba are gathering support for their formats from computer makers and movie studios to try to dominate the $26 billion U.S. market for DVDs and players. Increasing sales of larger flat-panel TVs are driving demand for high-definition video content that provides better picture quality and for media that stores more data than standard discs.

``Blu-ray disc technology is the final piece needed to complete our vision of the high-definition world,'' said Dick Komiyama, chief operating officer at Sony's U.S. unit.

The battle for the high-definition market has drawn comparisons with the competition between the Video Home System (VHS) and Sony's exclusive Betamax format for video-cassette recorders in the 1980s. Betamax offered higher picture quality, while VHS became the consumer standard because it was licensed widely to rival manufacturers.

The Blu-ray format is supported by Samsung Electronics Co.; Cupertino, California-based Apple Computer Inc.; and Round Rock, Texas-based Dell Inc. Toshiba's main backers for HD DVD include Japan's NEC Corp.; Santa Clara, California-based Intel Corp.; and Microsoft Corp. of Redmond, Washington.

Vaio Computers, Xbox Consoles

About 20 titles from the Sony Pictures Entertainment movie studio will be available for Blu-ray release, said Randy Waynick, senior vice president of the U.S. home products division.

Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Inc., Walt Disney Co. and News Corp.'s Fox Entertainment Group Inc. have said they will make content available on the Blu-ray format. Some studios will offer movies on both formats.

Toshiba will showcase its HD DVD players at this week's Consumer Electronics Show with 40 movie titles, including Time Warner Inc.'s ``Batman Begins,'' Viacom Inc.'s ``Sahara,'' and ``Jarhead'' from Universal Pictures, Knox said.

Sony will also include Blu-ray disk drives in its Vaio-brand desktop computers, the company said today in a statement. Sony's PlayStation 3 video game console will also be Blu-ray compatible.

Toshiba in September said it will start selling notebook PCs in Japan with an HD DVD drive by early 2006. Separately, Microsoft said it will sell a high-definition movie player that can be connected to its Xbox 360 video game console.

Samsung, Pioneer

The Blu-ray disc can store at least five times more than the 4.7 gigabyte standard DVD, and Toshiba's HD DVD can store at least three times more content. Both systems use blue lasers, which enable more data to be put on a disc than red lasers used in conventional DVDs.

Suwon, South Korea-based Samsung, which surpassed $100 billion in market value yesterday, and Japan's Pioneer Corp. also plan to show their Blu-ray players at this week's show.

Matsushita Electric Industrial Co., the world's largest consumer-electronics maker, said earlier it will be selling blank 50-gigabyte Blu-ray discs in the U.S. in the spring.

The Consumer Electronics Association expects 130,000 people to attend the exhibition, spokeswoman Leah Arnold said. Last year, the group projected 120,000 visitors and got 145,000.

To contact the reporter on this story:
Daisuke Takato in Tokyo at [email protected]

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JAN. 4 | LAS VEGAS—Toshiba, the principal backer of the HD DVD format, planted its stake firmly in the low-end of the high-definition hardware market, unveiling a $499 HD DVD player at the Consumer Electronics Show here Wednesday.

The new model, dubbed the HD-XA1 is slated to hit retail shelves in the U.S. in March, along with a more fully featured model, the HD-A1, which carries a list price of $799.99.

Toshiba’s aggressive pricing strategy seemed designed to put maximum pressure on backers of the rival Blu-ray Disc format, which is expected to carry much higher sticker prices when the first players hit the market sometime this summer.

Among Blu-ray manufacturers, only Pioneer and Panasonic disclosed initial player prices, with consoles weighing in at $1,800 and $1,000, respectively.

Both said players would ship this summer but declined to provide specific dates.

Main Blu-ray backer Sony also said it would ship its first players in the summer but declined to provide pricing information.

HD DVD also picked up a potentially critical new hardware supporter in Microsoft, which announced Wednesday that it will begin shipping an HD DVD drive add-on for its Xbox 360 game system later this year.

Pricing was not disclosed.

At the opening keynote session, Microsoft chairman Bill Gates also emphasized the software giant’s support for HD DVD in the upcoming new version of its Windows operating system, Vista.

Vista will incorporate native support for HD DVD playback, providing PC makers a powerful incentive to include HD DVD drives in PCs and notebooks shipped with the new operating system.

PC makers that include Blu-ray drives will have to license additional playback software from a third party.

“With both Vista and with Xbox 360, we are very committed to HD DVD,” Robbie Bach, president of Microsoft’s entertainment devices division said at an HD DVD press conference late Wednesday.

The move to add HD DVD capability to Xbox gives the format a counter to Sony’s plans to incorporate Blu-ray into its PlayStation3 consoles when they ship later this year.

Still, broad consumer electronics hardware support remains a weak spot for HD DVD. The only other player announced at CES was a low-end model from Thomson under its RCA brand.

The RCA player, however, is simply a rebranded version of the Toshiba HD-XA1.

The Blu-ray camp has many more traditional consumer electronics companies on board, even if only a few have so far announced player models.

Blu-ray also has more committed software support, particularly from Sony Pictures, its partly owned subsidiary MGM, 20th Century Fox and Disney, all of which have announced plans to release movies on the Blu-ray format.

Two of the three major studios backing HD DVD, Warner and Paramount, have announced plans to release in both high-def formats.

The Blu-ray Disc Assn. was scheduled to make a formal announcement of the format’s launch plans at an event at CES Thursday evening.

HD DVD did pick up some high-profile software support this week, with the announcement Wednesday that the Weinstein Company, the new studio formed by former Miramax toppers Harvey Weinstein and Bob Weinstein, will begin releasing titles in HD DVD in the spring.

The announcement did not say whether the Weinsteins’ also will release titles on Blu-ray.

Also coming on board for HD DVD was Studio Canal, which said it plans to release 30 HD DVD titles in 2006 in Europe.

According to Yoshiihide Fuji, president-CEO of Toshiba Digital Network Company, some 200 HD DVD titles will be available by the 2006 holiday season, based on current studio commitments.

The Toshiba players will be backward compatible, allowing the play of standard DVDs, and will connect to HDTV sets via the High Definition Multimedia Interface, allowing a picture resolution display of either 720p or 1080i for HD DVDs and “upconverted” standard DVDs.

Toshiba will launch a retail road tour demo targeting the Top 38 TV viewing markets in the U.S. beginning in February.

The company also will support the launch with an extensive ad campaign titled, “So real you can feel it.”

Meanwhile, Pioneer announced a Blu-ray Disc player model schedule to arrive in June that will deliver 1920x1080p output, the highest level of high-definition as well as the same HDMI connections. It also offers IP network capabilities for integration with home network systems such as Windows Media Connect.

Samsung plans to ship its Blu-ray Disc player in early spring for sale shortly thereafter, which it claims will be the first Blu-ray player on the market in the U.S. Like the others, it will play standard DVDs and CDs in addition to Blu-ray Discs and offer HDMI output and uncompressed all-digital audio/video interface on a single cable.

Samsung plans to introduce a Blu-ray recorder later this year.

In related news coming out of CES, DEG: The Digital Entertainment Group, plans to announce Thursday evening that the overall home entertainment industry suffered a slight decline in 2005, as was first reported last week by Video Business and DVD Exclusive.

DEG’s numbers peg the overall industry at $24.3 billion, with total consumer spending on DVD alone up 7.5% from 2004 to $22.8 billion ($16.3 billion on DVD sales, up 5%, and $6.5 billion on rental, up 14%). VB put the increase on DVD alone at more than 9%.

Shipments of DVD software rose less than 10% from 2004 to 1.66 billion units, according to figures compiled by Kaplan, Swicker & Simha on behalf of DEG.

On the hardware side, based on data from the Consumer Electronics Assn., DEG reports 37 million DVD players sold to U.S. consumers in 2005, nearly half of those in the fourth quarter alone. That raises the number of DVD players sold since the inception of the format to 164 million in 82 million homes.

An estimated 89 million homes, more than 80% of all U.S. TV households, have DVD capability when factoring in computers and videogame consoles.

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Paramount Universal New Line Cinema och Warner Home Video representerar mer än hälften av de producerade filmerna som finns på markanaden. Vid Maj räknar man med att det ska finnas 50 titlar ute. Vissa pressningar kommer att ha HD DVD på ena sidan och Standard DVD på andra sidan.

Studiorna som stöder HD DVD kommer att ge ut nära 200 titlar innan årets utgång.
Den 28 Mars släpps Bl.a Twister som var den allra första långfilmen som gavs ut på dvd samt Million Dollar Baby och Batman Begins. Den 11 April kommer Harrry Potter 4: Goblet of Fire.

Andra titlar som The 40-Year-Old Virgin, Jarhead, Doom, Cinderella Man, Apollo 13, The Bourne Supremacy, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, Dukes of Hazzard, Rumor Has It och Syriana är på väg, liksom Superman Returns, Poseidon och som tidigare nämnts en Mission Impossible Trilogi släpps senare i år efter att de gått på bio.

Herre min skapare vilka gigantiska inlägg du kör med Audio Code3!

Men det uppskattas mycket! Otroligt bekvämt att inte behöva leta själv med ljus och lykta på nätet. Nu kan jag sitta framför datorn med en påse chips och följda utvecklingen av framtidens HD tack vare dina inlägg. Tack för det!

Tack PJAY!

CES mässsan i Las Vegas, önskar man vore där....
Toshiba tänker gå offensivt in i marknaden och sälja sina HD DVD spelare till konkurrenskraftiga marknads priser, den ena spelaren för $499 och den andra för $799, medan Pioneer den enda tillverkare som tillkännager ett pris tänker sälja sin Blu-ray spelare för enorma $1800 -Vem sa att Blu–ray skulle bli billigare?

Pioneers utlåtande bokstavligen chockade människorna från industri branschen. De andra tillverkarna håller inne med sina pris rekommendationer.

Problemet för Blu-ray är att deras teknologi kostar mer att tillverka än vad det gör för HD DVD. Ett annat är just namnet Blu-ray. Vanliga människor förstår innebörden av dvd men blir förvirrade av Blu-ray, som nu är ett annat dvd format, men varför då inte kalla den för det var den är nämligen HD DVD?!!
Man kan bara spekulera om varför så många film studios valde Sony istället för Toshiba? Enda anledningen till att de studior som har valt att ge ut titlar i båda format är att de vill säkra att folk köper just deras film framför en annan. Sedan undrar man vad Sony egentligen har sysslat med i förhandlingarna med varje studio?

Om man citerar herr Lieberfarb -den förre presidenten över Warner Home Video, som i december höll ett föredag om att Sony ”had entered into agreements with every studio to provide discs at either cost or below variable cost for the next five years, so, the studios were very happy to take these assurances by Sony that they would not have to pay more for the discs than they would pay for HD DVD discs”

Den artikeln talar sitt tydliga språk och ger en helt annan bild av det som råder än vad man kan tro och det känns inte som fair-play längre, snarare räv spel i hönshuset av Blu-ray som köper sina andelar.

http://www.dvd-intel...arb_keynote.htm

På många ställen talas det om 1080p som "det vanligaste", åtminstone för Blu-ray. Men är det 24/25/50/60 Hz? Påverkar ju bitrate rejält. Och klarar HD-DVD det för normallängdsfilmer givet att den bara rymmer 3-4 ggr så mycket data som en DVD?

Och sedan så kan vi glömma att få de nya högupplösta ljudformaten digitalt in i dagens förstärkare. Kan inte tänka mig att de klarar vare sig codecs eller datarate. "Bakåt kompatibelt?" - jo ungefär som att dagens DVD spelare kan sampla ner till stereo ljud vid brist på högtalare

Det talas ju oxå om att vissa filmer skall ha "lossless" ljud. Om man antar 48kHz / 24 bitar i 6.1 så rör det sig 4-6 Mbps bara för ljudet. Inget jag kan tänka mig att HDMI klarar, har de nya spelarna Firewire också? Det måste man ju ha idag för att kunna föra över DVD-Audio digitalt.

Om man nu skulle kunna få se en bild på en baksida på en ny spelare

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Det talas ju oxå om att vissa filmer skall ha "lossless" ljud. Om man antar 48kHz / 24 bitar i 6.1 så rör det sig 4-6 Mbps bara för ljudet. Inget jag kan tänka mig att HDMI klarar, har de nya spelarna Firewire också? Det måste man ju ha idag för att kunna föra över DVD-Audio digitalt.

HDMI-standarden har en maximal bandbredd på 5 Gbp/s så det torde inte vara några problem.

Är det den nya revisionen av HDMI, 1.1?

Det vore ju smutt att bara ha en kabel mellan nya spelaren till nya förstärkaren till nya skärmen!

(Fast det var ju plötsligt 3 nya prylar på ett bräde )

BTW. Jag såg någonstans att det inte verkar som om Blu-ray spelarna spelar CD-skivor.

På många ställen talas det om 1080p som "det vanligaste", åtminstone för Blu-ray. Men är det 24/25/50/60 Hz? Påverkar ju bitrate rejält. Och klarar HD-DVD det för normallängdsfilmer givet att den bara rymmer 3-4 ggr så mycket data som en DVD?

Och sedan så kan vi glömma att få de nya högupplösta ljudformaten digitalt in i dagens förstärkare. Kan inte tänka mig att de klarar vare sig codecs eller datarate. "Bakåt kompatibelt?" - jo ungefär som att dagens DVD spelare kan sampla ner till stereo ljud vid brist på högtalare 

Det talas ju oxå om att vissa filmer skall ha "lossless" ljud. Om man antar 48kHz / 24 bitar i 6.1 så rör det sig 4-6 Mbps bara för ljudet. Inget jag kan tänka mig att HDMI klarar, har de nya spelarna Firewire också? Det måste man ju ha idag för att kunna föra över DVD-Audio digitalt.

Om man nu skulle kunna få se en bild på en baksida på en ny spelare 

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Pioneer verkar köra 1080p/24Hz i alla fall.

Vi har ett Spännade år Framför oss

Aftonbladet är flitiga.. http://www.aftonblad...,758317,00.html

På många ställen talas det om 1080p som "det vanligaste", åtminstone för Blu-ray. Men är det 24/25/50/60 Hz? Påverkar ju bitrate rejält. Och klarar HD-DVD det för normallängdsfilmer givet att den bara rymmer 3-4 ggr så mycket data som en DVD?

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Filmerna lär lagras i 1080p @ 24 fps. Vilken frekvens man matar ut det hela i är upp till spelaren. Dvs, frekvensen påverkar, i det här fallet, inte bitraten.

Och näe, 4-6 Mps är inga problem för hdmi...

Redigerat av pacman, 07 januari 2006 - 18:40.

Pioneers plasmor (436, 506) hanterar just 1080p@24 på hdmi-ingången. Dock inte 48 eller 72 hz, borde inte det resultera i aningen hackig hdtv???

..och Pioneer kommer med en ny 1080p native plasma som de har visat på CES.

"Dolby Digital Plus and DTS-HD content will be converted to a standard bitstream format that is compatible with any processor equipped with decoders of the respective formats and output through S/PDIF and HDMI."
Inte läge för en ny (dyrare) receiver just nu...

HD DVD HD-XA1 som släpps under mars månad i staterna för $499

Och jag som kommer vara i NY april-maj.
Skall köpa den här och varenda HD-DVD Film de släppt!
Eller så kanske jag kommer hem med en Blue-Ray.
Man vet aldrig

Pioneers plasmor (436, 506) hanterar just 1080p@24 på hdmi-ingången. Dock inte 48 eller 72 hz, borde inte det resultera i aningen hackig hdtv???

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Inte hackigare än dagens bio- och dvdfilmer, de är alla i 24 (eller 25) fps.

men brukar inte bion dubblera eller tillochmed trippla varje frame för att ge en mjukare och smidigare film. SJälvklart blir det inga refreshrate hackigheter då filmen spelas in 24 frames och visas i 24 hz, men är det inte helt enkelt lite för lågt så att en snabb panorering helt enkelt hackar..?

men brukar inte bion dubblera eller tillochmed trippla varje frame för att ge en mjukare och smidigare film. SJälvklart blir det inga refreshrate hackigheter då filmen spelas in 24 frames och visas i 24 hz, men är det inte helt enkelt lite för lågt så att en snabb panorering helt enkelt hackar..?

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Film är 24 bilder varken mer eller mindre. Sen fins det avarter men film är och förblir 24 bilder. Helt klart hackar snabba panoreringar vid 24 bilder/sekund om de utförs fel.

Många semiproffs videokameror använder 30 bilder (t.ex Canon XL-2) om produktionen inte ska köras över till 35mm-film. Spelas filmen in på någon form av vanlig video (50-60i bilder) brukar man göra om det till 24 hela bilder för att få den lilla rykigheten som film har och vi alla älskar.

Merparten av alla som tittar på film skulle reagera negativt om själva bilderna blev smidigare och inte hade sitt lilla stakato. Den låga uppdateringen av ruta för ruta gör att vi upplever filmen som just film.

Det finns givet vis mera som spelar in för att åstadkomma en riktig filmlook men det hör till andra forum och inte detta.

Sorry det hela blev lite OT...

Redigerat av Unregistered5b84dd24, 08 januari 2006 - 10:43.

En bild hackar inte mer än 2 likadana bilder som visas efter varandra...

Dvs 72 Hz är lika hackigt som 24 Hz om grundmaterialet bara består av 24 bilder/sek.

Nu finns det dock andra poänger med att öka visningsfrekvensen till t.ex. 72 Hz. T.ex. så minskar flimmret, vilket är anledningen till att man visar samma bild flera gånger på bio. Men eftersom det är samma bild kommer det alltså inte hacka mindre.

edir: doh! y-man hann före.

Redigerat av pacman, 08 januari 2006 - 10:45.

HD DVD HD-XA1 som släpps under mars månad i staterna för $499

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Helt i min prisklass. Kommer troligen köpa en så fort jag kan. Jag hade från början bestämt mig för att vänta lite men 499$ är inte så mycket så man skulle gråta blod om det inte blir HD-DVD som segrar till slut.

Redigerat av Unregistered5b84dd24, 08 januari 2006 - 11:47.

Film är 24 bilder varken mer eller mindre. Sen fins det avarter men film är och förblir 24 bilder.

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Hoppas INTE det förblir 24 fps...

Merparten av alla som tittar på film skulle reagera negativt om själva bilderna blev smidigare och inte hade sitt lilla stakato. Den låga uppdateringen av ruta för ruta gör att vi upplever filmen som just film.

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Köper inte riktigt det. Det är ju bara en vanebildning!
Skulle man införa, säg 100 fps, nu så skulle ju dagen ungdomar växa upp med detta och skulle de se en "gammal" film i 24 fps skulle de reagera och få en helt annan "känsla" när de ser en sådan film. De skulle såklart relatera 24 fps filmer som "gammal" film ungefär som vi relaterar svartvit film som "gammal" film som vi tycker ger en annan "känsla". Till exempel.
Som du säger finns det massor med andra effekter man kan applicera som skapar filmkänslan ändå.

Men visst finns det nog folk som skulle reagera negativt. "Äh, det var bättre förr!"-folk har alltid funnits och kommer alltid finnas!

Men visst finns det nog folk som skulle reagera negativt. "Äh, det var bättre förr!"-folk har alltid funnits och kommer alltid finnas! 

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Sådana dinosaurier som mig då, som fortfarande favoriserar knastriga LP framför CD

Men visst finns det nog folk som skulle reagera negativt. "Äh, det var bättre förr!"-folk har alltid funnits och kommer alltid finnas! 

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Sådana dinosaurier som mig då, som fortfarande favoriserar knastriga LP framför CD

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Ungefär!
Fast inte så bra exempel ändå för LP låter faktiskt bättre än CD, förutom när de blir knastriga då.
Men om man gillade och saknar själva knastret så handlar det mer om nostalgi, vilket är precis det jag menade. Övergång till CD var ju faktiskt ett steg bakåt när det gäller ljudkvalitet medans en övergång till högre FPS hade varit en utveckling åt rätt håll. Rent TEKNISKT sett alltså.

Ingen tonåring idag saknar "knastret" från LP-skivorna och upplever inte samma nostalgi som vi "gamla stötar" gör när vi hör en gammal LP.

Och varför skulle man inte få förändra FPS när man är inne och förbättrar allt annat om man pratar om bio/film. Vissa tycker säkert det var bättre när det inte var surround-ljud på biograferna och andra saknar de pauser som fanns/fortfarande finns på mindre biografer där maskinisten måste byta rulle. "Det var ju mysigt!"

Så att folk skulle uppfatta det negativt med 100 fps beror på vanebildning, nostalgi, kalla det vad du vill. Men i det långa loppet vore det bra. Vi som känner nostalgin över 24 fps finns ju bara en stund till om man säger så ( ) och morgondagens ungdomar kommer inte känna denna nostalgi. Kvar finns det då en teknik med enbart fördelar för konsumenten.
Och SKULLE det då finnas en regisör som vill göra en film som ser "gammal" ut så spelar han helt enkelt in den i 24 fps. Vill han ha den riktigt gammal gör han den svartvit och i extremfallet även utan ljud. (bara för att poängtera att det finns olika "epoker")

HD DVD: Blu-ray Has Problems

Having finished speaking to Blu-ray, BetaNews sat down with a representative from HD DVD to discuss how the Microsoft-backed format will compete with Blu-ray. Toshiba HD DVD expert Mark Knox gave a thorough explanation of the optical disc drive technology, and said that because of Blu-ray's complicated design, HD DVD will triumph in the format war.

Blu-ray's difficulties, Knox explained, begin with the technology itself, and the idea that its 50GB dual-layer capacity is superior to HD DVD's 30GB. Through the use of better codec technology, such space is not actually needed for high-definition movies. In fact, Blu-ray admitted to BetaNews that most discs won't go beyond the 25GB mark.

Although both formats are being demoed at the show, there has been much speculation about production problems in the Blu-ray camp. Knox confirmed the rumors, and said the problem involves Blu-ray's numerical aperture. In order to store more data on a disc, the laser is bent into a cone shape.

The aperture setting on standard DVD is 0.6, with the setting for HD DVD a slightly smaller 0.65. The additional capacity is provided by the blue laser technology. However, in order to store a full 25GB per layer, Blu-ray has adopted a 0.85 aperture, meaning the divots on the optical layer are smaller and more prone to error.

Additionally, the smaller aperture requires a thinner disc and smaller layer spacing, which makes the medium more vulnerable. Initially, Blu-ray was designed with an external cartridge to protect the disc. But now, the group is utilizing a special protective coating that has not yet been finalized due to disagreements.

Given HD DVD's design, the requirements are similar to standard DVDs, which has eliminated manufacturing problems. Knox said that Blu-ray could see a much higher production flaw rate, as the equipment has minimal room for error during both the medium and content manufacturing, as well as the reading of discs by Blu-ray players.

Additionally, Knox refuted claims that Blu-ray's use of Java for its menu system and interactive features will make development easier. He explained that Blu-ray is actually using an imported specification from Europe named JEM. Due to JEM's large number of instructions, it will be nearly impossible for hardware manufacturers to ensure devices will function under any circumstance.

Knox said that HD DVD can verify that every disc will play on every player, as its iHD specification is DHTML-based rather than built with Java. This also means reduced production time for studios and firms developing the HD content. Hewlett-Packard recently asked Blu-ray to adopt iHD, but the group balked at the demand.

Regarding the notion of limited content in the HD DVD format, BetaNews was told that while HD DVD does not have the number of studios its rival touts, the Blu-ray Disc Association simply wanted "as many logos as possible on their PowerPoint slide."

Knox highlighted the fact that of the American Film Institute's Top 100 movies, more than 60 were from studios supporting the HD DVD format, and a majority of the major-grossing films of the last three years were from those same studios. HD DVD has focused on quality, not quantity, Knox said.

HD DVD recently signed foreign and independent studios, including European filmmaker Studio Canal. By the end of 2006 HD DVD will have roughly 200 titles available, more than Blu-ray has announced thus far.

Another problem plaguing Blu-ray development is a requirement placed on the organization when it signed a deal with Fox Studios. Fox had demanded that high-definition DVDs utilize a stricter copy-protection format than AACS, which is employed by both Blu-ray and HD DVD. While HD DVD rejected the demand, Blu-ray conceded.

Knox said Fox was unhappy with the decision to let consumers watch movies where they please using Mandatory Managed Copy. Managed Copy has become a contentious point in the next-generation DVD battle, with HP demanding that Blu-ray require the technology on all discs. However, as Fox's proprietary DRM will run after AACS, the studio could theoretically restrict such portability.

This proprietary format is also rumored to have delayed the PlayStation 3, which will include a Blu-ray drive for the masses. Pioneer is set to launch a $1,800 Blu-ray player in May.

HD DVD, meanwhile, is launching its first players in March. Toshiba will bring two models to market with price points of $499 and $799 USD. The high-end model will feature improved output connections for home theater aficionados who have componentized systems.

For the average consumer, with surround sound systems "from a box," the $499 HD DVD player will be sufficient, Knox said. Consumers will see the $499 models in stores such as Best Buy, while the $799 player will be available through specialty retailers where home theater buffs can additionally purchase high-end audio systems.

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övergång till högre FPS hade varit en utveckling åt rätt håll. Rent TEKNISKT sett alltså.

Tekniskt kan jag sträcka mig till att hålla med dig.

Och varför skulle man inte få förändra FPS när man är inne och förbättrar allt annat om man pratar om bio/film.

Klart man får. Du ska bara övertala en miljardindustri att de ska skippa en stor del av själva filmlooken.

Så att folk skulle uppfatta det negativt med 100 fps beror på vanebildning, nostalgi, kalla det vad du vill. Men i det långa loppet vore det bra. Vi som känner nostalgin över 24 fps finns ju bara en stund till om man säger så ( ) och morgondagens ungdomar kommer inte känna denna nostalgi. Kvar finns det då en teknik med enbart fördelar för konsumenten.

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1 Men det görs ju film med mer än 24 fps idag, så det blir inget nytt alls. TV-film och serier görs som regel med 50 eller 60i där slipper man den "vanebildande" uppfattningen av film och motionblur helt.

2 Vilka fördelar detta har för konsumenten har jag svårt att se då själva uppdateringen redan idag är så hög att tittandet blir behagligt för oss.

Redigerat av Unregistered5b84dd24, 08 januari 2006 - 19:31.

Intressant att se att HD-DVD hela tiden måste smutskasta Blu-ray och att alla deras uttalanden i slutändan nästan alltid handlar om Blu-ray istället för HD-DVD

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Blu-ray: What Format War?

We sat down this morning with Pioneer's Andy Parsons to discuss Blu-ray, the company's upcoming $1,800 Blu-ray player, and why he thinks the format war will be over before it starts. The Blu-ray Disc Association currently includes seven of the eight major movie studios, two large music labels representing as much as half of the music market, and has added five companies since July of last year.

Pioneer's player is scheduled for release in May, and the launch of Sony's PlayStation 3 this spring will bring millions of Blu-ray capable players into homes "almost overnight," Parsons told BetaNews. Six more major manufacturers, with the exception of Toshiba, which has backed HD DVD, are set to follow Pioneer with their own Blu-ray players later this year.

Sony has already announced the first 20 titles it will make available in Blu-ray format, expecting to add four a month and ramping up to as many as 10 per month by the end of 2006.

It is this content availability, Parsons feels, that makes Blu-ray the best choice for consumers. He said the format battle will be over quick once consumers realize how much more movie titles are available for Blu-ray. But Blu-ray isn't expected to supplant DVD immediately, rather targeting the high-end market before expanding to the mainstream.

Parsons said he expects the adoption rate for Blu-ray to be much like DVD, with home theatre afficionados being the first to purchase its $1,800 unit. With only 10 percent of households running HD capable TVs, the format has a long way to go.

Parsons explained that existing content protection issues are expected to be resolved by the end of the month, and that Blu-ray will support mandatory managed copy. He also highlighted the decision to use Java, as it has become ubiquitous and is an open standard, as opposed to the slightly more complicated iHD language.

Additionally, Parsons commented on Microsoft's support of HD DVD. He said the announcement is merely to confuse the press, as movie playback is all done within the software, and software packages can include Blu-ray support just as easily as HD DVD. OEMs decide what goes on the computer, not Microsoft, he added.

Pioneer is also scheduled to release a computer writer with Blu-ray capabilities in the first quarter of 2006, primarily aimed at professionals being asked to get Blu-ray titles out the door and on store shelves. Four other companies are expected to launch their own computer writers in addition to the Pioneer model.

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Undrar vad som gäller för avspelning av musik? Det verkar ju som om åtminstone Blu-ray inte kan spela upp CD-skivor och det talas inte om DVD-Audio och SACD! Eller har någon sett något om det?

Jag har i alla fall bestämt att jag skall behålla min Pioneer 868 som hi-def musikspelare den dagen HD-dammet har lagt sig

"Samsung developed all components of the BD-P1000 internally. Samsung's unique technology - one pickup with two lenses - allows it to also play standard DVDs and CDs in addition to Blu-ray discs while allowing for more cost-effective production"

Intressant att se att HD-DVD hela tiden måste smutskasta Blu-ray och att alla deras uttalanden i slutändan nästan alltid handlar om Blu-ray istället för HD-DVD

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Precis vad jag också tänkte!
Ta bara det här med att BD rymmer 50 GB mot HD-DVDs 30. Detta borstar det av sig genom att påstå att det extra utrymmet inte behövs!!!
Med hjälp av "bättre" codecs hävdar de. Man vill ju inte ha sönderkomprimerad film...
Visst är det skillnad på codec och codec, men i slutändan handlar det ändå om förstörande komprimering vilken codec man än använder.

Sedan det här med priset. De jämför EN BD spelare som skall lanseras mot EN HD-DVD spelare.
Priset för BD-spelaren presenterades först...

Vi som konsumenter kan bara hoppas på ett rejält priskrig!
Och att kombinerade BD/HD-DVD spelare tvingas ligga inte allt för mycket högre i pris!

Och varför skulle man inte få förändra FPS när man är inne och förbättrar allt annat om man pratar om bio/film.

Klart man får. Du ska bara övertala en miljardindustri att de ska skippa en stor del av själva filmlooken.

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Att "skippa filmlooken" är nog inte det som är problemet. Det är väl snarare alla bio-projektorer, filmkameror, film till kamerorna, bildbearbetnings-utrustning osv osv som är anpassade för 24 fps som måste bytas ut. Måånga bolag skulle bli påverkade så det finns nog rätt många bromsklossar mot det...

Men man behöver inte "skippa filmlooken" heller.
Om det är behagligt eller inte att titta på 24 fps är väl en smaksak.

Mycket OT nu och detta har redan diskuterats i en annan tråd också.
Men jag tycker det är intressant och fortsätter gärna i en ny tråd om någon vill...

PS3 BD-Player

Fully Software-decoded BD Player driven by Cell Processor
High Quality image Processing driven by RSX Graphic Processor
1080/60p 12bit color HDMI output
32bit Floating Point Color Video Processing
32bit Floating Point Audio Processing

Redigerat av Guppa, 08 januari 2006 - 22:15.