Blu-ray eller HD DVD?

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Wow en digital apa jämför hennes hår med kongs.

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*Yeah Right! 

*Absolut, Amir får sin lön direkt från M$ o Billy indirekt från BDA  ...vem som helst kan förstå det...ok kanske inte hardcore Blu boys som dig men resten av världen   

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Wow en digital apa jämför hennes hår med kongs.

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haha, nu när du säger det
Hela henne ser ju ut som en stor blockig fest

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haha, nu när du säger det
Hela henne ser ju ut som en stor blockig fest

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http://www.globeneye...ic.se/index.php

Något för dig o Addex? Btw använder ni samma PC

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Så du tycker hon ser lika detaljerad ut och fri från artifekter som KK?

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Redigerat av diabolo, 09 April 2007 - 07:38.

http://www.dvdauthor...p?reviewID=4804
Traffic
PQ 4,5/5

http://www.dvdauthor...p?reviewID=5024
Casino Royale
PQ 4/5

 

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Redigerat av Unregistered992, 09 April 2007 - 07:44.

Brukar inte kika på den där sidan, vem det, kanske är rdjam som sitter bakom spakarna
Att Peter Bracke har gjort bort sig katastrofalt är det dock ingen tvekan om
Men tack, nu vet man att man ska hålla sig borta från DVDAuthority också, Peter Bracke och Matt Brighton hamna precis på min "shit list" *

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Redigerat av diabolo, 09 April 2007 - 07:46.

Originally Posted by Chad Varnadore
Can you tell me, and this is meant as a legit question, I'm not trying to be the slightest bit sarcastic. But is it practical to expect that all films with older masters that may not live up to current standards be delayed until they can be re-mastered? Is that asking too much of the studios? Sony seems to have become much more selective of the films they're releasing on BD. I remember Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon go up on their press site, just to be pulled back down. After seeing the theatrical trailer on one of their recent discs, I can see why. If the master looks anything like the trailer, it would have been a HUGE disappointment.

Here's an article where Joe Kane basically states that 1080x1920 masters are inferior for a 1080p format, as not nearly that much resolution actually makes it through telecine.

http://www.avguide.c...n/76/bluray.php

I don't frequently agree with Kane's views. But, what he says here seems to make sense. Just about all of the discs we've covered that seriously came up short, in detail especially, were from films that were released around 2002 or earlier to the DVD format - 2001 or earlier to theaters. And unlike The Searchers and a few others they don't appear to have been remastered since then. Do studios see this? Or is it just too much to justify the time and expense remastering every film that doesn't look comparable to newer ones or waiting until market adoption of BD is selling in large enough volumes to justify the expense?

Paidgeek svarar:

Chad,

You are asking some very good questions.

The short answer to your question is yes, in most cases, I think most studios will elect to retransfer films if they think the current HD asset can be substantially improved.

The reason that a less than ideal HD transfer might exist in the first place are more interesting.

I started working at Sony Pictures in 1995 when HD transfer work was already underway. A few other studios were also getting started with HD, and built up considerable libraries of HD titles.

Of course the best available tools are used for that day and there were only a couple of choices, fly spot scanners or the Sony CCD array telecine. More importantly, then and up until present, CRT based displays are the common reference display in use for telecine and color correction work. These displays are expensive and have stable color reproduction, but they are dismal in comparison to a current 2M pixel display where pure resolution is concerned. I won't try to give a long explanation here, but CRT direct view monitors and projectors are limited in the resolution they can reproduce by beam spot size and picture level. If you are interested in the details, I suggest researching papers on the MTF of CRT based systems. The result of all this is that we have been doing transfer work for years without being able to see everything that is being captured. Worse, Joe average consumer can now buy a 2M pixel display for a modest price and resolve more detail that can be seen on industry standard displays. This is starting to change. Sony Pictures requires its post facilities now have a 2M pixel display available for QC work and I suspect these displays are going to start popping up in the telecine suites with time. This is already leading to better results.

There are also picture quality differences that result from the way films are shot today. Not so long ago, it was industry standard practice to look at film out dailies in a screening room. This allows the film maker to judge if there are grain, focus or other technical problems that should be taken care of. Today, dailies may be viewed in a number of ways, but not necessarily with the resolution required to discriminate technical problems.

You also mentioned the article that Joe Kane contributed to. His assertions that we can magically get a better picture using a 2048 or 4096 DI and converting to to 1920 are wrong.

The DI process was not started in order to make better video masters. It was a response to the desire of film makers to have a toolbox of electronic methods to manipulate color, sharpness and a range of other parameters for film prints. Once a film out master is complete, it is used to source the HD video master with corrected color space. The DI always requires scaling to the final 1920 resolution and this leads to a loss, not gain, of picture sharpness. You can also appreciate this fact by looking at some older or lower budget titles that have not gone through a DI process. As the saying goes, less is more and in the case of a title like "Volver" you can appreciate this first hand. By using traditional methods of color timed IP and telecine, we can get an outstanding looking master that might otherwise have achieved a result with more specific color adjustments, but not a sharper image through a DI process.

I am confident that film makers and studios are going to make changes based on what is now readily apparent on a moderately priced full resolution display. Some of what is in our library looks very good already, some titles need new transfers, but at least we are coming to grips with the fact that consumer display technology is driving the quality bar higher than it has ever been.

Redigerat av Addex, 09 April 2007 - 08:50.

I was involved in SACD before coming to work for Sony Pictures so I am very interested in it. Even so, things look bleak at the moment for SACD and DVD-A.

I think the music industry is looking forward to leveraging Blu-ray as a readily available format for a large base of consumers. The LPCM capabilities are very good and the tools to master audio in a compatible format are available.

Not good news for SACD, but good news for those that appreciate great sounding audio.

Sony Report Reveals First Look at Absolute Blu-ray and HD DVD Disc Sales Figures

The numbers that week were equally as impressive for Blu-ray, which outsold HD DVD by a ratio of 9:2, and dominated the list of top-selling next-gen discs -- the HD DVD edition of 'The Departed' was the only HD DVD disc to appear among the top ten best selling high-def discs.

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Diabolo vad tyckte du om 300?

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Diabolo vad tyckte du om 300?

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Nice ...väntar på den(HD-DVD)...vad tyckte du om den?

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Väldigt vacker må jag säga, dock mindre brutal än vad jag trodde den skulle vara. 5/5 ger jag den, och jag väntar på att den kommer på Blu-ray .

Dock tror jag att Warner först kommer svika på båda formaten vad gäller ljudet. Typ som dem gjorde på A Scanner Darkly, bara 640 kbit/s DD/DD+.

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Sony Report Reveals First Look at Absolute Blu-ray and HD DVD Disc Sales Figures

The numbers that week were equally as impressive for Blu-ray, which outsold HD DVD by a ratio of 9:2, and dominated the list of top-selling next-gen discs -- the HD DVD edition of 'The Departed' was the only HD DVD disc to appear among the top ten best selling high-def discs.

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"Thanks to a new research report from Sony" the magic word

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Väldigt vacker må jag säga, dock mindre brutal än vad jag trodde den skulle vara. 5/5 ger jag den, och jag väntar på att den kommer på Blu-ray .

Dock tror jag att Warner först kommer svika på båda formaten vad gäller ljudet. Typ som dem gjorde på A Scanner Darkly, bara 640 kbit/s DD/DD+.

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Eller THD

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Väldigt vacker må jag säga, dock mindre brutal än vad jag trodde den skulle vara. 5/5 ger jag den, och jag väntar på att den kommer på Blu-ray .

Dock tror jag att Warner först kommer svika på båda formaten vad gäller ljudet. Typ som dem gjorde på A Scanner Darkly, bara 640 kbit/s DD/DD+.

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Eller THD

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Hoppas att de väntar ett tag så att de använder en 30/50 skiva istället för en 15/25 skiva.

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diabolo: för att äga båda formaten så är du väldigt icke neutral, jag har aldrig sett dig posta en positiv nyhet eller annan info om Blu-ray, om den inte på samma gång involverar HD DVD, typ gemensamt släpp av Warner eller liknande.

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Redigerat av diabolo, 09 April 2007 - 09:10.

diabolo: för att äga båda formaten så är du väldigt icke neutral, jag har aldrig sett dig posta en positiv nyhet eller annan info om Blu-ray, om den inte på samma gång involverar HD DVD, typ gemensamt släpp av Warner eller liknande.

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Razter:för att inte äga båda formaten så är du väldigt icke neutral, jag har aldrig sett dig posta en positiv nyhet eller annan info om HD-DVD, om den inte på samma gång involverar Blu-ray, typ gemensamt släpp av Warner eller liknande.

*Kasta inte sten inne i glashuset

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Redigerat av Unregistered992, 09 April 2007 - 09:17.

Ehm, varför ska jag posta nyheter om HD DVD när jag inte vill ha något med formatet att göra öht?
Du vill ju uppenbarligen ha något att göra med BD när du köpt en PS3 och filmer, men aldrig sett någon BD ägare vara så negativ som dig
EDIT: Ok, Amir äger ju uppenbarligen också BD så jag kanske överdrev, men förutom honom då 

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Ehm, varför ska jag posta nyheter om HD DVD när jag inte vill ha något med formatet att göra öht?
Du vill ju uppenbarligen ha något att göra med BD när du köpt en PS3 och filmer, men aldrig sett någon BD ägare vara så negativ som dig
EDIT: Ok, Amir äger ju uppenbarligen också BD så jag kanske överdrev, men förutom honom då 

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My heart belongs to u know that ...

* Amir is a player like me

PS Hade inte Billy också en HD-DVD spelare?

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Jo det har han, men Bill leverar ju även bra HD DVD nyheter ibland

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Siffrorna som Sony använder kommer väl från VideoScan och inte Sony själva?

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*O sen  VideoScan nr står för ca 40-60%(USA) av den tolala försäljning....hur kan man inte    SONY...o sen undrar du varför jag är inte förtjust i BDA 

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*O sen  VideoScan nr står för ca 40-60%(USA) av den tolala försäljning....hur kan man inte    SONY...o sen undrar du varför jag är inte förtjust i BDA 

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Ehh, sluta gnäll, BDA ger oss ett format med bättre kapacitet och bättre specs för interaktiviteten
(skulle dom fördröja det till nästa år så börjar jag också gnälla, jag lovar)

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Redigerat av diabolo, 10 April 2007 - 00:24.

Redigerat av Addex, 10 April 2007 - 08:52.

I am so sorry guys but Fifth Element will NOT be coming to HD DVD. I got my titles mixed up when I answered the question before. Anyone who is super disappointed, can PM me and I will try to make it up to you some other way.


Again, I am sorry for this....

TFE kommer INTE på HD DVD

Redigerat av diabolo, 10 April 2007 - 09:26.

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