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Stödjer 605:an HDCP via HDMI? Någon som vet/har testat?

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Har nu provlyssnat en 805'a hemma. Har tidigare en Rotel RSX-965 som när den köptes kostade ca 14.000:- Men det är snart 10 år sen. Spelar på ett par Canton Ergo RC-L. CD'n är en gammal Pioneer DVD-737, som hyllades som riktigt bra CD-spelare när den kom. Den är väl också bortåt 10 år nu.

Det jag kan beskriva i absoluta termer är jämförelsen med Roteln. Jag har inte testat förstärkare hemma på många år så ha det i minne.

Tvåkanal till att börja med. Jag körde mestadels i läge "pure audio" och i analogt läge. Mina högtalare kräver en aktiv ljudfilterbox. Denna box ska kopplas in i signalvägen mellan försteg och slutsteg. Min gamla rotel hade en bygling där man kan koppla in den. Onkyon har pre out, men ingen main in. Så boxen går inte att koppla in här. I 2-kanalsläge så kopplade jag boxen mellan CD'n och förstärkarens CD-in. Då funkar det fint, men jag kunde alltså inte testa digitalingången från CD'n eftersom filterboxen då kopplas bort.
Ljudmässigt är det stora skillnader. 805'an låter stort och mäktigt, och ljudet släpper fint från högtalarna. Basen är fastare och mer artikulerad. Roteln saknar lite högbas och låter spretigt och vasst, men har bra skjuts i botten. 805'an är klart mer homogen i klangen.
Mellanregistret är nog den del där skillnaderna är som störst. Det låter mjukt, fylligt, naturligt och tydligt. Varje detalj går fram utan att bli påträngande. Mycket högt betyg.
Diskanten likaså. Briljant, tydligt, utsträckt, följsamt och silkeslent.

Det jag framförallt slås av ä'r hur rent det låter. Inget påträngande, inget skarpt, men samtidigt aldrig luddigt. ljudbilden med bra skivor är närmast tredimensienell och sträcker sig långt utanför högtalarnas gränser. Roteln är klart frånsprungen här. Onkyon springer i cirklar runt den!
Jag testade också med digitalljudet från CD, utan filterbox. Och det låter kanonbra, men helt fel frekvensgång pga min filterbox som saknas (låter som höjd diskant och bas i min, som nån sorts omvänd loudness). Men så långt jag kunde testa så lät det bra. Distinkt och bra. På dessa parametrar klart bättre än min gamla CD-spelare som har en del brister...

När vi kommer till filmljud blir det lite komplicerat i min recension eftersom filterboxen inte kan vara med. Jag provade med Audyssey-kalibrering och det kompenserade ganska bra för frånvaron av filterbox. Men riktigt samma klang blir det inte så ljudet lider lite av detta. Har heller ingen subwoofer, och surrounderna är ett par gamla Jamo-dipoler som heller inte är i paritet med dagens standard. Centern är en Canton Ergo och riktigt bra. En subwoofer hade kunna kompensera filterboxens frånfälle ganska mycket.
Men det jag kan säga är att dialoger går fram ruskigt mycket bättre än med Roteln. Dynamik och homogenitet och omvälvande ljud. Allt finns där, men inte riktigt perfekt. Men det kan det inte heller bli med mina högtalare som är långt från klangmatchade i surrounderna. Det blir nästa investering.

I övrigt fungerade allt som det skulle. Det var enkelt att koppla in allt, jag tittade knappt i manualen. Allt var logiskt och bra. Fjärrkontrollen är stor, men bra. OSD-menyerna enkla att hitta i, och det går lika bra att navigera utan OSD med hjälp av displayen på förstärkaren. Perfa!

Testade lite med video-uppskaling och det gjorde den inte!? Det står i specarna att den skalar upp till 720p, men min komposit skalades bara till 576p på HDMI. Tydligen finns det en gömd meny som man kan koppla in detta, men enligt rykten får man då problem med fel aspect ratio i en del fall. Kanske därför dom gömt menyn? (Googla på "hidden meny onkyo 805")
Men bildkvaliteten blev helt ok ändå. Kollade på videokameras inpelningar från DV och det såg fint ut, men jag hann inte testa så mycket. Deinterlacingen har ju fått en del kritik, men jag såg inga deinterlacingeffekter i vart fall. Kanske att jag inte fick full upplösning, men det kan jag inte uttala mig om. Har inte testat fillmmaterial som ju ska kunna deinterlacas med 2:2 pulldown till äkta progressive.

HDMI passthrough fungerade bra. Faktiskt upplevde jag det som jag fick bättre bild på projektorn via förstärkaren än direkt från min Oppo-DVD. Möjligt att den ger en starkare utsignal kanske? Kan ha varit inbillning. Fungerade klockrent i vart fall.

Varm blev den, men inte så het som jag trodde, efter att ha läst en del inlägg. Min gamla Rotel blir också jämförbart varm. Den stod iofs öppet på en bänk.

Tja, det var mina intryck. Jag ska testa 705'an också när den dyker upp och sen därefter se vad jag ska slå till på.

Edit: Möjlighet till än bättre ljud finns förstås med bi-amping, vilket jag inte kunde testa. Hade ingen lämplig kabel hemma.

Mvh
Barsk

Måste bara klistra in Barsks recension av 805 som han lagt i 705-tråden.
Jag kan bara hålla med honom...

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Redigerat av Barsk, 21 August 2007 - 12:42.

Det är tre optiska ingångar på 605:an. Det sitter en på framsidan också.

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Nej, det är en ingång. Avänder den själv för Xbox 360. Har redan fullt i de andra med digitalbox och dator.

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Jag har en fundering.....Jag kopplar i dag min digitalbox till plasman med scart-rgb och optisk till 605:an.
Blir det en bildmässig försämring att koppla digitalboxen med s-video in i recievern och  hdmi vidare till plasman?
Skalar den upp videosignalen till 720p(om man ändrar i dolda menyn) och gör den det bra?

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Har nu provlyssnat en 805'a hemma. Har tidigare en Rotel RSX-965 som när den köptes kostade ca 14.000:- Men det är snart 10 år sen. Spelar på ett par Canton Ergo RC-L. CD'n är en gammal Pioneer DVD-737, som hyllades som riktigt bra CD-spelare när den kom. Den är väl också bortåt 10 år nu.

Det jag kan beskriva i absoluta termer är jämförelsen med Roteln. Jag har inte testat förstärkare hemma på många år så ha det i minne.

Tvåkanal till att börja med. Jag körde mestadels i läge "pure audio" och i analogt läge. Mina högtalare kräver en aktiv ljudfilterbox. Denna box ska kopplas in i signalvägen mellan försteg och slutsteg. Min gamla rotel hade en bygling där man kan koppla in den. Onkyon har pre out, men ingen main in. Så boxen går inte att koppla in här. I 2-kanalsläge så kopplade jag boxen mellan CD'n och förstärkarens CD-in. Då funkar det fint, men jag kunde alltså inte testa digitalingången från CD'n eftersom filterboxen då kopplas bort.
Ljudmässigt är det stora skillnader. 805'an låter stort och mäktigt, och ljudet släpper fint från högtalarna. Basen är fastare och mer artikulerad. Roteln saknar lite högbas och låter spretigt och vasst, men har bra skjuts i botten. 805'an är klart mer homogen i klangen.
Mellanregistret är nog den del där skillnaderna är som störst. Det låter mjukt, fylligt, naturligt och tydligt. Varje detalj går fram utan att bli påträngande. Mycket högt betyg.
Diskanten likaså. Briljant, tydligt, utsträckt, följsamt och silkeslent.

Det jag framförallt slås av ä'r hur rent det låter. Inget påträngande, inget skarpt, men samtidigt aldrig luddigt. ljudbilden med bra skivor är närmast tredimensienell och sträcker sig långt utanför högtalarnas gränser. Roteln är klart frånsprungen här. Onkyon springer i cirklar runt den!
Jag testade också med digitalljudet från CD, utan filterbox. Och det låter kanonbra, men helt fel frekvensgång pga min filterbox som saknas (låter som höjd diskant och bas i min, som nån sorts omvänd loudness). Men så långt jag kunde testa så lät det bra. Distinkt och bra. På dessa parametrar klart bättre än min gamla CD-spelare som har en del brister...

När vi kommer till filmljud blir det lite komplicerat i min recension eftersom filterboxen inte kan vara med. Jag provade med Audyssey-kalibrering och det kompenserade ganska bra för frånvaron av filterbox. Men riktigt samma klang blir det inte så ljudet lider lite av detta. Har heller ingen subwoofer, och surrounderna är ett par gamla Jamo-dipoler som heller inte är i paritet med dagens standard. Centern är en Canton Ergo och riktigt bra. En subwoofer hade kunna kompensera filterboxens frånfälle ganska mycket.
Men det jag kan säga är att dialoger går fram ruskigt mycket bättre än med Roteln. Dynamik och homogenitet och omvälvande ljud. Allt finns där, men inte riktigt perfekt. Men det kan det inte heller bli med mina högtalare som är långt från klangmatchade i surrounderna. Det blir nästa investering.

I övrigt fungerade allt som det skulle. Det var enkelt att koppla in allt, jag tittade knappt i manualen. Allt var logiskt och bra. Fjärrkontrollen är stor, men bra. OSD-menyerna enkla att hitta i, och det går lika bra att navigera utan OSD med hjälp av displayen på förstärkaren. Perfa!

Testade lite med video-uppskaling och det gjorde den inte!? Det står i specarna att den skalar upp till 720p, men min komposit skalades bara till 576p på HDMI. Tydligen finns det en gömd meny som man kan koppla in detta, men enligt rykten får man då problem med fel aspect ratio i en del fall. Kanske därför dom gömt menyn? (Googla på "hidden meny onkyo 805")
Men bildkvaliteten blev helt ok ändå. Kollade på videokameras inpelningar från DV och det såg fint ut, men jag hann inte testa så mycket. Deinterlacingen har ju fått en del kritik, men jag såg inga deinterlacingeffekter i vart fall. Kanske att jag inte fick full upplösning, men det kan jag inte uttala mig om. Har inte testat fillmmaterial som ju ska kunna deinterlacas med 2:2 pulldown till äkta progressive.

HDMI passthrough fungerade bra. Faktiskt upplevde jag det som jag fick bättre bild på projektorn via förstärkaren än direkt från min Oppo-DVD. Möjligt att den ger en starkare utsignal kanske? Kan ha varit inbillning. Fungerade klockrent i vart fall.

Varm blev den, men inte så het som jag trodde, efter att ha läst en del inlägg. Min gamla Rotel blir också jämförbart varm. Den stod iofs öppet på en bänk.

Tja, det var mina intryck. Jag ska testa 705'an också när den dyker upp och sen därefter se vad jag ska slå till på.

Edit: Möjlighet till än bättre ljud finns förstås med bi-amping, vilket jag inte kunde testa. Hade ingen lämplig kabel hemma.

Mvh
Barsk

Måsta bara klistra in Barsks recension av 805 som han lagt i 705-tråden.
Jag kan bara hålla med honom...

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Redigerat av Eclipse_tobbe, 21 August 2007 - 22:31.

Nu kanske detta e fel ställe att fråga detta men jag provar.

Kan man dra analog TV via en DVD till 605:an och låta den skala upp till 1080p? Blir detta bra resultat? Någon som provat? Blir det bättre än att dra analog TV:n rakt in i LCD:n?

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----analog-tv---> DVD ------hdmi------> Onkyo 605 (1080p) -------hdmi-------> LCD

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Några frågor:
1. Någon som har provat Zon 2? Är det bra för annan ljukälla eller även för bildkälla som t.ex. Denon har.

Redigerat av mikeett, 23 August 2007 - 07:35.

Hej!  Har precis köpt och installerat en TX-SR805E, Det har dykt upp lite problem för mig, hade kopplat DVI-HDMI till tvn förut direkt från datorn och såg det som visades på min lcd skärm, nu har jag kopplat till recievern istället på hdmi 1 och sen har jag tänkt o köra från recievern till tvn.

Saken är att det blir bara en "no input" på tvn då jag försöker få  datorns bild genom recievern, Dock fungerar det om jag drar till med 1024x480 som upplösning i windows, men inte vanliga 1280 x 1024 som alltid fungerat... Nån som har nån aning om vad som kan vara fel kanske? 

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Redigerat av Barsk, 27 August 2007 - 20:22.

Hej!  Har precis köpt och installerat en TX-SR805E, Det har dykt upp lite problem för mig, hade kopplat DVI-HDMI till tvn förut direkt från datorn och såg det som visades på min lcd skärm, nu har jag kopplat till recievern istället på hdmi 1 och sen har jag tänkt o köra från recievern till tvn.

Saken är att det blir bara en "no input" på tvn då jag försöker få  datorns bild genom recievern, Dock fungerar det om jag drar till med 1024x480 som upplösning i windows, men inte vanliga 1280 x 1024 som alltid fungerat... Nån som har nån aning om vad som kan vara fel kanske? 

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Jag noterade en likande sak när jag kopplade projektorn via onkyon från datorn. Vid nåt tillfälle så ville datorn inte växla upplösning. Det kände av onkyon som display istället för projektorn och drog ner antalet möjliga upplösninger till ett fåtal. Men senare när jag kopplade in samma uppkoppling så fungerade allt klockrent!? Nåt i hur och i vilken tidsordning man kopplar har nog betydelse. HDMI-protokollet har ju en handskakning där det förhandlas om vilka upplösningar osv som TV/projektor klarar och här ska ju onkyon bara skicka vidare eftersom den sitter som mellandhand. Men det kan ju vara att jag koppplade in sakerna efter att dom hade handskakat och då föll den infon bort för onkyon som säkert cachar sånt.

Prova att stänga av allt, koppla på onkyon först, sen tv och sist datorn så borde det (hand)skaka rätt. Tycker jag i alla fall... Eller det kanske räcker att byta ingång på onkyon så den släcker och tänder upp hdmi-portarna, då kanske det handskakas om?

Ett möjligt problemområde detta!

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Tänkte beställa från tyskland, globama, nån som vet vad själva banköverföringen kostar från swedbank och hur den debiteras?

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Hi All
Right lets get to the point. We have discovered an issue with the ps3 connected via HDMI , Now this does not happen with any stand alone HD DVD or Bluray machine ,it is only with the PS3 and not with every PS3 so the issue is very inconsistant . And you will all be happy to know that we have already implemented a firmware change at the factory to help solve this issue ( I only found out about this yesterday) .we have also contacted Sony and asked them to also make a software update to combat this if it does happen.
We are also trying to work the logistics of how we are going to update the machines already out in the field ,so please bare with me on this and i hope to have an answer by the end of today on this.
And another note the issue is only on signal change over IE from menu to movie ,we have not had any issues regarding any switching noise during a movie. We believe we have caught this early enough as to not disrupt to many people , Also we at Onkyo are not willing to take any chances with poss later issues that may arise with games machines being used as High Def dvd players ,
Please don't anyone see this as an negative about our product, but think of it as ' Oh there is an issue and they (through upradeable software) have managed to sort it out.........very quickly and didnot try to brush it under the carpet and pretend it didnot exist.
That is why we are doing this firmware mod but for it to work fully then PS3 has to do the same (which im sure they will).
We believe that we are one of the most pro-active companies in the marketplace, and if there is an issue I like to think we are able to jump on it as soon as poss.

Cheers

Hej!  Har precis köpt och installerat en TX-SR805E, Det har dykt upp lite problem för mig, hade kopplat DVI-HDMI till tvn förut direkt från datorn och såg det som visades på min lcd skärm, nu har jag kopplat till recievern istället på hdmi 1 och sen har jag tänkt o köra från recievern till tvn.

Saken är att det blir bara en "no input" på tvn då jag försöker få  datorns bild genom recievern, Dock fungerar det om jag drar till med 1024x480 som upplösning i windows, men inte vanliga 1280 x 1024 som alltid fungerat... Nån som har nån aning om vad som kan vara fel kanske? 

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Jag noterade en likande sak när jag kopplade projektorn via onkyon från datorn. Vid nåt tillfälle så ville datorn inte växla upplösning. Det kände av onkyon som display istället för projektorn och drog ner antalet möjliga upplösninger till ett fåtal. Men senare när jag kopplade in samma uppkoppling så fungerade allt klockrent!? Nåt i hur och i vilken tidsordning man kopplar har nog betydelse. HDMI-protokollet har ju en handskakning där det förhandlas om vilka upplösningar osv som TV/projektor klarar och här ska ju onkyon bara skicka vidare eftersom den sitter som mellandhand. Men det kan ju vara att jag koppplade in sakerna efter att dom hade handskakat och då föll den infon bort för onkyon som säkert cachar sånt.

Prova att stänga av allt, koppla på onkyon först, sen tv och sist datorn så borde det (hand)skaka rätt. Tycker jag i alla fall... Eller det kanske räcker att byta ingång på onkyon så den släcker och tänder upp hdmi-portarna, då kanske det handskakas om?

Ett möjligt problemområde detta!

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Troligen en av anledningarna varför det är snålt om hdmi-utgångar på billigare modeller. HDMI är väldigt känsligt och skulle inte förvåna mig ett dugg om vi ser en 1.4a av standarden snart.

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Tyska Area DVD har testat TX-SR805 och den fick väldigt bra betyg. Referenz. Massa bilder och massa tysk text.

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Who uses a DVD Player or a DVD recorder, which has no or only an insufficiently working De-Interlacer also on board, then the Onkyo onkyo-Receiver holds a suitable alternative ready: Because in the TX-SR805E a Faroudja De-Interlacer with DCDi Edge (directional Correlational Deinterlacing) is integrated, so that one supplies simply similar Interlaced signals to the 7.1-Receiver - all further one takes over the TX-SR805E. Audyssey MultEQ XT with up to eight points of measuring Correctly the attached loudspeakers were determined With Audyssey MultEQ XT, admits from different Denon AV amplifiers (e.g. Denon AVC-A1XVA) bring along the Onkyo an efficient loudspeaker measuring and space Q system. On up to 8 hearing positions this system measures in, in order to make also for several persons a homogeneous, spatially akkurates klangbild possible. The base data (loudspeaker size, distance of each individual loudspeaker of the hearing place, loudspeaker-level-adapt) measured, likewise takes place an frequency response-oriented tuning as well as a temporal acoustic adjustment by means of ultramodern Equalizing procedures. The TX-SR805 makes available also a manual EQ The TX-SR805 makes available beyond that also a manual EQ Setup (Front/Center/Surround/S.Back/Subwoofer). The selectable volumes are for Front/Center/Surround/Surround bake identically: 63, 160, 400, 1000, 2500, 6300 and 16000 cycles per second. For the Subwoofer are available 25, 40, 63, 100 or 160 cycle per second. The frequency bands can within the range - 6 railways to + 6 railways in 1 railway-walked to be raised or lowered. In the manual EQ menu the user can put on its own conceptions appropriate Setup. Unfortunately it is to be copied not possible, a Setup determined automatically by Audyssey into the manual EQ to the Feintuning. This would be a suggestion for the future to change and to the user also the possibility give this of optimizing a curve measured by Audyssey after the own Gusto. Likewise we would be pleased, if it would give different storage locations for user adjustments. Modern amplifier technology for perfect sound The output stage layout of the TX-SR805E is based on the Gegentaktverstaerkung. The transistors of the amplifier "press" and "draw" the river at the same time. An output stage (i.e. a transistor) strengthens the positive half of the wave shape, while another output stage worries about the reinforcement of the others, negative half of the wave shape. The Gegentaktverstaerkung has the advantage that she works very efficiently, at the same time however exists the possibility that unpleasant distortions bring themselves into the reinforcement process. In order to eliminate these, Onkyo engineers integrated a three speed inverted Darlington circuit, which reduces arising distortions to a minimum. Rendition possibility for three different AV sources in up to three hearing zones Exits for second and a third hearing zone make it for the TX-SR805E possible to be able to transfer into AV sources independent up to three areas. Like that it is for example possible to enjoy in the main hearing area a film in Surround sound while in the second hearing zone music in stereo is heard. Only loudspeakers and an amplifier unit in the other hearing zones are needed. Volume and balance can be stopped in the second and third hearing zone, while a bass and a Hoehenreglung are available for the second hearing zone. Bi-Amping-option with employment of high-quality front loudspeakers The two output stages of the TX-SR805E, which are intended for the Surround baking acoustic irradiation, can be used alternatively also for the Bi-Amping of the front channels. This is useful if very high performance front L/R loudspeakers are used. By means of the Bi-Amping-option then high more /Mitteltoener and Tieftoener of the front loudspeakers of separate output stage units are headed for. Depending upon loudspeaker Setup and hearing taste a particularly serious and sovereign sound can be produced by the Bi-Amping - it is not natural however that, depending upon user profile and assigned type of loudspeaker, by Bi-Amping actually better acoustic results to be obtained to be able. That depends also on from which quality the frequency switch sitting in the loudspeaker is. It can out-play their qualities with the single Amping connection and provide in such a way for a special klangliche design of the transducer - the frequency switch affects the acoustic behavior of the box enormously. Qualitatively high-quality Burr Brown 192 kHz/24-Bit DACs and Texas Instruments DSP chip High-quality Burr Brown digital/analog transducer (DACs) uses one of of Texas Instruments developed DAC architecture (PCM1796) for reaching exzellenten dynamics and for the minimization of jitter, which has its cause time run differences within the digital signal. For detailed audio signals these digital /Analaog converters a co-operation with audio DSPs and decoder chips, which is beneficial for a precise and natural klangbild, make perfect possible. The TX-SR805E uses equivalent three high-quality, modern DSP chips in the audio signal processing way. Neural THX Surround decoder for television broadcasts and video games The Neural THX Surround technology makes it possible to encodieren transmission contents in 5.1. This transmission contents in the two-channel format to the receiver home are then transported, and there the decoder in a the position, integrated in the TX-SR805E, is to decode from it a signal up to 7.1. Neural THX Surround realized furthermore the support of up to 7.1-Kanaelen for video games, with intensive 360 degree Surround Klangkulisse becomes playing in such a way an unforgettable experience. The button for the activation "pure Audio" mode directly at the equipment Further equipment characteristics To the characteristics already enumerated still another very good manual loudspeaker Setup comes (time Alignment Einstellschritte: 0.15 meter steps, total range of control 0.15 m to 9 m) with precisely graduated CROSS Over frequencies (Full volume, 40/50/60/70/80/90/100/120/150/200 cycles per second, separately for Front/Center/Surround/Surround bake). It is possible over the "doubles Bass" function to spend the bass over the front loudspeakers and over the active Subwoofer. For as short a signal path without disturbing additional circuits as possible an adjustable "pure audio" is to function at the disposal (only stereo). Onkyos "IntelliVolume" function provides for always same level with source change. The TX-SR805E has besides some DSP programs. "Orchestra" is with the homogeneous sound distribution and the clear rendition characteristic, exactly the same as it in the description stands, very well for classical music or operas suitably and still one best us of the well-known DSP programs. "Studio Mox" is available for skirt or Pop music. "Unplugged" is appropriate for acoustic instruments, singing (e.g. Gospelsongs or A Capella music) and jazz. Onkyos DSPs are by the way based on the DTS Neo:6 and/or Dolby PLIIx Decoding. Naturally bring along the 805 also universe a Channel Stereo mode. Likewise there is a LipSync function, which exhibits a range of adjustment from 0 to 250 ms (adjusting steps: 5 ms). A very extensive Lautstaerkesetup makes a precise volume adjustment possible for all hearing zones and operating conditions. In addition for each entrance over "Listening mode Preset" own preference attitude can be entered concerning the clay/tone formats (over OSD) Extensive volume Setup for all modes of operation The OSDs was revised, as already from the TX-SR605er well-known, optical and looks now clearly better. Total note of equipment/connections in relation to the purchase price: Outstanding. Operation Typical Onkyo remote maintenance Clear menus with tidy diagram The remote maintenance of the TX-SR805 is in the best way admits and makes possible a simple, purposeful operation. Already after very short time also new A risers can deal with the IR CONTROLLER very well. The volume turnable regulator lies very well in the hand and has a relatively calm run. The point matrix equipment display pleases with excellent readability and a eye-friendly colour (amber colors with the silver model). The control elements at the equipment do not place the user likewise before handling problems. Naturally the TX-SR805 has an extensive on screen menu, which presents itself as optically good arranged into form and as logically. Therefore it is not difficulty to meet the basic adjustments by means of the OSDs fast. Audyssey MultEQ XT is an enormously aufwaendiges loudspeaker measuring and Equalizing system, which must process unusually high data sets. This results from the fact that up to eight hearing positions one in-measures on. Optically beautiful, handy volume control For this reason it is also hardly amazing that the entire measuring and Equalizingvorgang need some at time. After approx.. everything is finished in-measured 18 minutes with the maximally possible number of 8 hearing positions. Subsequently, follows the final computation, which likewise takes some up at time. Altogether the TX-SR805 needs approx.. 23 minutes, then the determined adjustment must be still stored. Naturally the user has the possibility of examining all attitudes met by the car Setup again by OSD. Error messages did not arise. All loudspeakers were recognized and also no (in practice missing) phase errors were indicated. The measuring system is inclined to recognize and classify also smaller LS than Full rank - here it would be better to set a Limiter with 70 or 80 cycles per second. Total note operation: Distinguished. Test equipment Devil system 6 CAN clay/tone carat set Elac 5,1 set telex 207.2/BS 203.2/CC 201.2/Sub 211,2 ESP Toshiba HD-XE1 Sony HP of 3 Panasonic DMP-BD10A Denon DVD-3930 Pioneer PDP-507XD Samsung LCD TV LE-40R81B A very high audio quality could obtain the TX-SR805 in interaction with the Denon DVD-3930 Sound Already the TX-SR605 could offer outstanding klanglichen virtues. The clear, expressionful sound, connected with enormous efficiency proves that Onkyo without doubt belongs to the world elite, what the building by AV aV-Receivern concerned. Cultivated prime mover: The TX-SR805 inspires with large sovereignty also with high level And the TX-SR805 resumes this realization in a higher preisklasse. Even a outstanding Yamaha RX-V2700 must bend itself here in the comparison: As bang-hard and precisely, as the Onkyo presents all kinds of bass portions also with very high level - that is Boliden level. There cannot not only the evenly mentioned Yamaha, but also the Marantz SR8001 also. With "war of the worlds" and with "star Wars episode 3" the Onkyo presents itself, even if no active Subwoofer were used, as extremely efficient. It the bass never entglitt, but with a firm, controlled, zupackenden kind the TX-SR805 left the hearing area in its basic celebrations hereditaryeven. Succeeded a in such a way, precisely and at the same time strong bass representation is any more and not less than Boliden level, and for the favorable purchase price of the TX-SR805. Also in large hearing areas to to the 50 square meter border one can use the TX-SR805E therefore without difficulties -, if one then listens to effect-enormous Actioner, is characterised the klangbild of the TX-SR805E by a large sovereignty. As the further example we consult "Casino Royale" (Blu ray) here: The actiongeladene sequence on Madagascar works out the Onkyo outstandingly - particularly the explosion on the message area of the fictitious banana republic points the potential out of the TX-SR805E in the best way: , within the bass range enormously strongly, space-filling and pressure structures clear making. Also with "xXx" the Onkyo inspires by its skillful mixture from natural sound balance and substantial seriousness: So with the concert of the Dark Metal volume, which is brought aggressively and with the necessary hardness to the auditory. The Onkyo seems to always stand with all actions over the happening, so loosely administers it also immense dynamic jumps and bass Eskapaden. The exhaust of the TX-SR805 The TX-SR805 has an exhaust, which runs however neither permanently nor makes themselves by over having width units, premature starting of enemies. Only in extreme situations it intervenes. This has however as a consequence that the Onkyo warms up very well noticeably - that one could call it critical, the THX Ultra 2-Receiver becomes so hot not completely, and the heating up does not have audible disturbing consequences: Also after more than four-hour Hatz with high level (of the maximum excursion of the LS automatic controller approx.. 80 to 85 per cent) the Onkyo offered still another solid, hard and accurate bass, a dynamic, clear high clay/tone range and a very cleanly accented central clay/tone range. By dynamic losses or by a disturbing "Aufweichen" of the klangbildes nothing was to be noticed. Completely directly whether one untwists the volume turnable regulator more or less strongly: The Onkyo always supplies a rough as also fine-dynamically convincing klangbild Naturally the acoustic life consists not only of basses and large effect salvos, but of many further nuances and frequency portions. And also here the TX-SR805E can set itself dazzling in scene. First of all is to be emphasized very positively, how "smooth" the transitions between bass/in the middle go and to memo EN/HEIGHTS. No "corners and edges" bring here unrest in the klangbild, but the soft, flowing lines are characteristic characteristic of the TX-SR805. This is naturally also during the film clay/tone rendition favourably, completely particularly however notices one it during the representation of music material. Straight jazz or classical music becomes effective in such a way an adult, a complete character. Very sensitivly the TX-SR805 differentiates the equipment between different music instruments, typically for Onkyo AV aV-Receiver creates it to connect detail loyalty with a homogeneous total appearance. Very well the conversion of the complex sound structures succeeds to the Onkyo with "Jarre in China": Differentiated and detail-experienced, but always also with view of a homogeneous total rendition. The TX-SR805E presents the typical Chinese instruments, additionally contributed to Jarres Synthesizer sounds the city forbidden by Chinese artists with the concert in, charismatisch and precisely brought on the point: No blurring in the klangbild disturbs, no unwanted Nachschwingen. Each clay/tone sits akkurat like distinguished a geschneiderter suit at the Mr. von Welt. With Ludwig van Beethovens "Pastorale" (DTS 5,1) inspires the total dynamics, which the Onkyo presents with the orchestralen employments. Joy of life, ESPRIT and Enthusiasmus become in the 1. Sentence so almost not filtered to the public transports. Which all examples show: Large klanglicher advantage of the TX-SR805 is also its ability to inspire both rough and fine-dynamically generally. With great thrust in such a way explosions in the "war of the worlds" or in "tripolarize X" mastered, at the same time however spreads the AV aV-Receiver also during the sensitive representation of small effect networks and vocal details a high measure of fine dynamics, so that the impression of clear, radiating brilliance manifests itself at the auditory. The kind, how the Onkyo deals with high frequencies, earns anyway all-highest applause. So freshly, alive and dragging along we heard the high clay/tone range otherwise only with more than twice as expensive alternatives. Further plus of the TX-SR805E is the exzellente rendition of voices - for example in "star Wars episode III" is just as precisely worked out Patmes beautiful voice as the very facet-rich, from play friendly to abyss-low-badly handing voice of the chancellor and later Imperators. Very well the Onkyo embeds the vocal happening into the acoustic total events: It creates it to let no vocal component go down at the same time avoids it it however skillfully to place the voices too much into the foreground which would have as a consequence that smaller effect portions in the background could be no longer sufficiently trained. The two Surround Aufpolierer DTS Neo:6 and Dolby pro Logic IIx are very well integrated, klanglich however notice we audible advantages with the Dolby system: The klangbild works during the music and film clay/tone rendition of clear, more structured and thus completely. In the film enterprise the rich, voluminoese Surroundkulisse pleases with PLIIx Movie very well. DTS Neo:6 works in the direct hearing comparison somewhat schmalbruestig, besides it is missing to effects something at convincing striking power. The being correct rendition with PLIIx is more strongly and at the same time more differentiated. Voices sound to more with Neo:6 a little pointedly and at the same time carried back. Altogether the sound balance is audibly less balanced. Complex instrumentale structures sound with PLIIx Music very approximately, harmoniously and conclusively. Neo:6 in detail also well, acted however with so homogeneous transitions, the klangbild does not work therefore less balanced. Straight one, if one hears during a longer period, turns out that PLIIx is the more pleasant companion. Onkyo AV aV-Receiver are also almost always characterised by a very good sound quality in the Stereobetrieb. The TX-SR805 successfully continues this tradition. Particularly "1812 ouvertuere" are impressing the successful structure of stage, both which the width, and with Tschaikowskys, which concerns the depth. The Onkyo presents none acoustically "shrunk" klangbild, but develops an extensive, solid stage before the auditory. This it proves also with "Musica é" to the Italian Schmuseppo icon Eros Ramazzotti. The separation from voices and instruments is outstanding, so that also individual vocal characteristics of the attention of the TX-SR805E do not escape. With strong Trance music the Onkyo shows up from his best side, it likewise always offers enough force reserves and platziert all musical effects accurately and dynamically in the hearing area. For the rendition of film clay/tone measuring represents a meaningful option by means of Audyssey We turn now to the acoustic results, if we use the Audyssey measuring system or however the manual EQ and/or the EQ off attitude. As musical examples CDs, which we played in the very good PLIIx mash IC mode, served us. With the Trance piece of hatch Terry "When it if" and with "Orient express" of Nitrous of oxides /beide pieces on Techno club, volume 23, Talla 2XLC meets Alex M.O.R.P.H. and Woody van Eyden were distinctive the results striking: Relatively expressionless and fade with Audyssey, very freshly, dynamically and seriously with production of an own Setups (minimum "bath tub", heights and basses somewhat stress, in the middle easily taken back), and naturally as well as balanced in the Equalizer off attitude. Here thus the Audyssey attitude with distance gets away worst and is not not useful. With "which is" of Herbert the Groenemeyer the identical picture: With easy bass and elevator plus in the own EQ attitude very dynamically, during the EQ off attitude enormously homogeneous and clearly, but if we activate Audyssey, the voice is carried back too clearly and loses at structure. The sound works it within the high clay/tone range too matt, is missing at expression strength. Very well Audyssey pleased us during the rendition of film clay/tone (example: "Stealth"): A very good space impression, a perfect being correct rendition and a rich effect window blind are here the pluses. All loudspeakers seem to be outstanding one on the other co-ordinated, so that a smooth delivery is ensured on the other one by 360 degree effects of a box. We arrange the TX-SR805 in the competition surrounding field. In the comparison to the Marantz SR8001 the Onkyo presents itself as more balanced, more obligatory and more harmonious. The SR8001 acts more malicious, within the high clay/tone range straight with high volume audibly pointedly. For the long hearing is the 805 the better alternative. Yamahas RX-V2700 is a hard competitor, that makes the life heavy for the TX-SR805: Straight one with its extensive DSP features presents itself the Yamaha as flexible audio machine. Completely equivalent however, as the Yamaha is also adjusted: Fine and he does not reach roughdynamic class of the Onkyo completely. The Onkyo represents to still seizable and more plastic, in extreme situations supplies with it besides still direct strength. The Denon AVR-4306 standing before the separation cannot maintain ground against the TX-SR805. It sounds not so spritzig, in detail so good and does not supply with extreme dynamic jumps not so much reproduction. The outstanding being correct representation 805 it cannot likewise offer. On the IFA presents Denon the two models AVR-4308 and AVR-3808, then the maps are again mixed. Altogether the TX-SR805E proves like second hardly at present AV aV-Receiver platzierter in this Preisgefilden, how completely already relatively low-priced models sound meanwhile. The Onkyo is enormously high performance, at the same time however qualified for a very charismatischen, deep representation of all acoustic events. It is not "Ruepel", which strotzt before strength, however before the fine work presses itself, on the contrary it is the through-trained, cultivated Gentleman, as it were the "James bond" under the AV aV-Receivern: Idea realm, each situation grown, more clever and athletically. Who looked for these characteristics so far, had to umschauen itself in clearly higher price regions. Total note sound in relation to the purchase price: Outstanding. Video signal processing The internal video signal processing creates it outstanding to convert e.g. a detailed FBAS signal de-to interlacen and pass on by means of analog-digital transformation over the HDMI exit. Impressing high stability is with "star Wars episode 3" and with "war of the worlds": The picture appears very calmly and amazingly clear, if one considers that a qualitatively insufficient FBAS signal was originally present. The coloured neutral, low-noise and surprisingly sharp representation, which the TX-SR805 makes possible, proves impressively, how visually high performance the Onkyo is. Furthermore HDMI signals are ground through without problems and without quality loss (also 1.080p).

Total: Distinguished Result Onkyo again created it with the TX-SR805E to present expressed an impressive product some new chapter regarding the efficiency in the price league to 2.000 Euro impacts. Very briefly and concisely formulated one could say that best audiovisual quality was to be had never so inexpensive. The 805 knocks impudent on the door to the Bolidenliga, but it does not remain when knocking: Its unusually clear, more facet-rich and at the same time very found-strong sound are done in the best way to also make for "according to rank" boliden strong competition. Trips are strange to the Onkyo also with very high levels. Its kind of the rendition very many potential buyers might inspire unaufgeregt sovereigns. The future-safe, rich equipment, the very good dressing of similar video signals and the clean processing do its remaining, in order to occupy the reserve entry of the TX-SR805E impressively. Onkyo points the competition into the barriers: Outstanding sound, practical equipment and a high-solid processing consolidate themselves to a momentarily unbeatable total package

+ outstanding level firmness
+ both rough and fine-dynamically convincing
+ excellent being correct rendition
+ excellent sound quality in Stereo
+ high-quality space measuring and Equalizingsystem
+ very good processing
+ rich and practical equipment

- not convincing loudspeaker cable connection terminals
- heating up the equipment

Redigerat av Audiovector, 28 August 2007 - 00:22.

Redigerat av Unregistered8386e6b4, 29 August 2007 - 20:14.

Någon som vet vad som skiljer 875 och 905 (förutom 20 W/kanal, 1 extra HDMI ut och 5.000 kr?)?

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Advantages of the 875 over the 805:

- Superior 1080p upconversion over HDMI using the Reon HQV chip.

- Upconverts *any* input to 1080p over HDMI. Lower resolutions like 720p and pass through modes are possible too.

- 875 will not do anything to 1080p HDMI signal, it will pass it to TV untouched

- 875 will not pass 1080p component signal to HDMI. (Tested with XBOX360
only, it might be XBOX360 problem)

875 vs. 905:

- The 905 adds an extra HDMI output, USB port, Ethernet port and associated network music playback capabilities

- The 905 has a superior power supply that may run cooler too

Redigerat av Unregistered0d88e7f5, 30 August 2007 - 05:40.

Tyska Area DVD har testat TX-SR805 och den fick väldigt bra betyg. Referenz. Massa bilder och massa tysk text.

Area DVD testar Onkyo TX-SR805

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Teufel System 6 
Canton Karat Set
Elac 5.1 Set FS 207.2/BS 203.2/CC 201.2/Sub 211.2 ESP 
Toshiba HD-XE1
Sony PS 3 
Panasonic DMP-BD10A
Denon DVD-3930
Pioneer PDP-507XD
Samsung LCD-TV LE-40R81B

905:an verkar grym med watt och funktioner etc. men för det priset kunde man kanske begärt 4 zoner. En fråga till er som har Onkyo, visst har den iPod stöd med docka och menyerna på skärmen och med fjärrkontrollen, precis som t.ex. Denon?

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Redigerat av Unregistered8386e6b4, 30 August 2007 - 19:09.

Är det kört att få in 605'an i en bänk som är 40cm djup? Är det angivna måttet 37,7cm inklusive volymratt och högtalaranslutningarna?

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