Det har varit en del skriverier på AVS om att Samsung skulle ha fuskat med själva "dimming"-funktionen, men det verkar nu vara "avskrivet". I övrigt så finns det inte så mycket att ta på...förutom att svärtan är DJUUUUP!
Denna "recension" är dock den mest intressanta tills en professionell recensent blir klar med sina slutsatser: http://www.avsforum....5&postcount=536
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Från samma person:More side evaluations.
Okay. So I couldn't really sleep last night, and uh to put out a request to D-nice, I did the Doom test. I know.. horrible movie but its dark as hell and the Rock is DA MAN. D-nice puts this movie on to put his TV sets to THE TEST. Its a torture test for all TVs and for the most part... this TV did okay.
When you got a threshold of 0ftl its pretty good. But ironically in the entire darkness of the movie, the set never actually went into 0ftl mode besides a few times (beginining and a couple of parts in close ups). There always seemed to be an exteremely... extremely dark gray 'haze'. I think the Kuro would look the same and even CRTs because shut off black really isn't possible with actual stuff on screen. Not really just a complaint, but once again I am pointing out that 0fl signal rarely gets work when actual images are on screen. I bet if you measure the black level on a starry night or even a really dark scene, the Kuro and 81 are going to be comparable... I don't know who will win but its not the landslide victory of the 81 series on 0ire.
Anyway, more anamolies popped up. For those who watch Doom, there are ALOT of scenes where it's pitch dark and there's small highlights. Either its the soldier's flashlights or minor lighting in the base. Well... you guys remember that little photograph of the 'PS3 pause button' and you can see the halos?
Oh boy... just wait till you watch Doom in the pitchdark. Floating black is a problem yes. But pulsating blacks is my new favorite term. Blacks are extremely unstable. There's alot of the times where you can actually see the dimming at work, lowering and brightening things and it looks really unatural. I think calibrating this thing to 0ire 0ftl may be a bad idea. You get the unbeatable black screen but it causes so much 'turn this grid on' 'turn this grid off' that its bound to do these things. You're literally watching light getting sucked into the TV. I know we all kid about the new flatpanels about being blackholes but this is ridiculous!
I think I need to get some brightness w/ 0ire, and higher it just a bit so I can keep a stable black and still have a good level to be happy with. Oh, and if you set the black level to the absolute darkest there still is crush going on. Photograph from Sharp details it all. You need to higher brightness. Even on gamma 3 the shadow detail wasn't there.
The blacks were extremely black hthough.
Edit:Can't compare to the 71 series since I haven't seen it. I will say that the 65 series I got to toy around with I got it to look really really good with color. I thought skintones were just as nice as the best TVs I've seen. And red, green, blue looked accurate as hell. On the 81, I see some push of green, yet the green color hasn't bugged me so much... it doesn't look like crayola, but at my color saturation point its hard for anything to look cartoony.
Skintones here are hit and miss. If I crank it to what I usually like my saturation to be, the 81 seems to paint lipstick on all the actors... and the Rock ain't no chick. I didn't have complaints about this on the Samsung DLP or older LCD I've owned. Once again... people need to pro-calibrate this thing. Even on brightness levels and contrast alone.
You have brightness, contrast, gamma, dynamic contrast, black level, SmartLED all to adjust. I bet even UMR is gonna get a headache.
Edit:Well oi. How do I put this...
Okay. Now that I've seen two of the top contrast techs my personal outlook on TV displays is changing and it becoming alot more calm. For me it all depends on lighting. That's the most important aspect of which TV is right for you. And even though Sammy gots some issues w/ 81 that can be annoying... and I only expect it to get worse, they got a dark horse that's going to rival plasma if they get it right.
Now everyone is clammoring to get black levels as low as possible. And I too would love that. If OLED and SED can get to a point where they can take the 81 series absolute black... and give it stability like most flat panels out there. You're going to get something really really special and it will beat whatever is on the market. At least in terms of pure contrast and black.
BUT. BIG BUT.
It depends on your lighting. All plasma owners love to point out the weakness in LCD blacks (although that's changing quick) but I also see alot of people ignoring viewing habits. What does black level do for a person who watches daytime TV only? Nothing.
I say the same thing in this situation. For those who watch in pitch black rooms, that 0ftl signal may be impossible to put a price on. But for those with any type of mood lighting it's going to be a hard sell. When watching the 81 the only times I can really love its 0ftl signal is few and far between, most of the time what you get on-screen is pretty much an unstable version of a Kuro's black. (I don't know which is darker in pitch darkness, watching both they seemed extremely dark to me.)
Now with a bias light, the Samsung 81s black bars get lost in the darkness of the bezel. And onscreen blacks will always stay inky and literally look as if it's turned off. To me its a revelation to why some people are saying the Kuros are the end all be all for them. If you're never going to watch TV in complete darkness... there is no reason to get excited over a tech that will A ) Cost alot more. B ) Might never show up.
I personally will never watch in complete darkness. So the 81s blacks and the Pioneer Kuro I believe will be more than enough. Some people will say either or may be the end of dramatic differences in terms of the color of black. I'm not asking for a miracle. If your display can 'trick' me into thinking I am staring at black w/ a little help from light... I'm fine. I'll be more than content even if I know black isn't 0ftl in total darkness.
Från en annan:First of all...I have to thank Johnny for letting me come over. Seeing this thing at a BB would not have done it justice. What can I say...cool dude with a cool set up.
I got to see this thing perform in a darkened room. Johnny was right about how dark those blacks can get...when the screen is blank or when the credits are rolling, the blacks are freakishly black...it has there Kuros beat there. Another positive is how well the 81 series handles motion blur. LED makes motion blur a thing of a past. It handles motion blur as good as any plasma I've seen. I have to admit I was really surprised.
I was more critical about the 81 series PQ than Johnny. Overall, I did not like how the black levels performed as a whole. Although the blacks got really black with the smartLED on, the blacks were both unnatural and inconsistant to me. It was so bad during the opening of Empire Strikes Back that a good chunk of stars were not visible at times. They would pop in and out of the picture when the camera was in motion. Johnny's brother and I weren't really familiar with that scene. We thought that it was some sort of special effect from the movie. Johnny then turned the smartLED off and it became apparent just how much detail was lost when it was turned on. It's a lose/lose situation since the blacks are gray when the smartLED is off. I also noticed during the baseball game how much blacker the Umpire's mask and uniform were on the Kuro. They really weren't that black on the Sammy. To me, the 81 series blacks failed to deliver when it was most critical.
Johnny and I also talked about how the 81 series lacked 'pop'. The colors were inaccurate and unappealing. Without even needing to see the Kuro and the 81 series side by side, it was obvious how much better the skin tones were on the Kuro. I found it hard to appreciate the skin tones on the Sammy...it just kinda looked eh. On top of that, it didn't have that 3D effect that grabs you.
I'll be surprised if the 81 series tops the 65 series in the Cnet review. Although motion blur was no contest between the 2, I felt the 65 series blacks were more real and the picture had more pop. Keep in mind that I owned a 5265 for about 10 days. In my mind, the negatives outweighed the positives in the first go round of the LED LCD.
Redigerat av Enator, 29 August 2007 - 20:55.
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