[tgatga]

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Hej,

I'm trying to decide between Epson TW3200 and TW5910. As far as I can tell the main differences are lens shift on 3200 and 3D on 5910, but are there any differences in 2D picture quality?

I dont plan to use 3D right away, and I don't know how much I wil be using it, but I think it would be nice to have - but not if I get a worse 2D picture with the 5910 over the 3200.

My room can be made dark with no ambient or outside light, but I have mostly white walls and ceiling (the wall with the screen is black) - but I may be painting my walls a darker color. The floor is covered in a light gray carpet. Sometimes I may watch movies with a little bit of ambient light though, but at other times it's as dark as I can make it.

Anyone got some advice about this?

I haven't been able to find much info on the 5910, so I hope someone can help me. Thanks

Redigerat av tgatga, 14 December 2012 - 16:20.

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http://www.epson.eu/.../overview/12138

[tgatga]

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I think it's hard to judge from the spec sheet I know the 5910 got a bit brighter lamp and the contrast is 20000:1 instead of 25000:1 - but I don't know if the image in 2D will be better on the 5910 or 3200? I was hoping someone could help me determining that - I would appreciate some opinions very much

[Marcus_TheRock]

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There is a big difference in the picturequality and these projectors is booth good in its pricerange, but suits different types of environments.

The lightoutput is much greater on TW5910, but the possible blacklevel is much greater on TW3200. Since you can combine the machines with different screens and different rooms it is impossible to say witch one is best for you, picturewise.

I would recomend you to try to get yourselves to a shop that can demonstrate the machines for you, on different screens, to see for yourself witch one you like best, together with the screen you like.

Regards
Marcus, The Rock Hemmabio i Lund

[tgatga]

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Many thanks for your input

Unfortunately I don't have the option to go demo them only online shops are selling projectors in this price range here.

It's confusing me a lot since I see lots of different statements regarding the 5910 and 3200 - some say the 5910 is superior to 3200 in every regard (http://www.techradar...-1087979/review) - and other say, as you, that the 3200 got better blacks.

I have a Qualityscreen Frame Original 92" (or 90", I'm not 100% sure), which is slightly grey - I think it was sold as a "greyline" screen. I'm going to use this screen for the new projector.

The room where I'm going to use the projector is a basement room where the wall with the screen is black, the ceiling and the other walls are white, though I will most likely put up some dark curtains and/or paint some walls, but not the ceiling. There is a light grey carpet on the floor.

For this screen and room, which one do you think would produce the best 2D image? I know it may be hard to say, but since I can't demo them some good guesses would be nice

It seems that the primary advantage for the TW5910 is the 3D capability - but I'd rather have a better 2D image than the ability to do 3D

[Marcus_TheRock]

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Unfortunately I don't have the option to go demo them only online shops are selling projectors in this price range here.

To bad for you, since nobody can tell you witch one you will like...

It's confusing me a lot since I see lots of different statements regarding the 5910 and 3200 - some say the 5910 is superior to 3200 in every regard (http://www.techradar...-1087979/review) -

I recommend you not to listen to those kind of statements. There are no products that is best in every regard. That review also states that TW5910 has lensshift.

and other say, as you, that the 3200 got better blacks.

This is not my opinion, its a fact. Since it has less light output and the contrast of the panel of both models is in the same region, it is also the most logical.

For this screen and room, which one do you think would produce the best 2D image? I know it may be hard to say, but since I can't demo them some good guesses would be nice

I know that I would prefer the old 3200 because i do not like to have to much lightoutput in a dark room, as yours. But I do have a lot of customers that prefer the opposit. It is like asking me if I like a banana the best or an apple. I know what I prefer, but not what you would like. It also wont help you to read about what others think, if you can´t taste them both for yourself.

It seems that the primary advantage for the TW5910 is the 3D capability - but I'd rather have a better 2D image than the ability to do 3D

3D is one advantage. The strong light output is another, but you will have most use of that if you like it, has a very large screen or a bright room.

Regards
Marcus, The Rock Hemmabio i Lund

Redigerat av Marcus_TheRock, 15 December 2012 - 19:20.

[tgatga]

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This is not my opinion, its a fact. Since it has less light output and the contrast of the panel of both models is in the same region, it is also the most logical.

I know that I would prefer the old 3200 because i do not like to have to much lightoutput in a dark room, as yours. But I do have a lot of customers that prefer the opposit. It is like asking me if I like a banana the best or an apple. I know what I prefer, but not what you would like. It also wont help you to read about what others think, if you can´t taste them both for yourself.

3D is one advantage. The strong light output is another, but you will have most use of that if you like it, has a very large screen or a bright room.

Regards
Marcus, The Rock Hemmabio i Lund

I'm just trying to get an idea of how significant the difference is in the 2D image of the projectors - and the opinion of other people and reviews is the only thing I have base my decision on.

My main concern is actually if the 5910 is going to be too bright - I'm quite sure it is quite a bit brighter than my old projector (Mitsubishi HC3000 which I found to be quite bright), so I'm worried if it will become too much - also considering that I only got a 92" sized screen.

On the other hand I'm thinking that if the 5910 is considered bright then the 3200 should also be quite bright since the specs are fairly similar? I know spec sheets don't tell everything but it seems the 5910 got 2100 lumen and the 3200 got 2000 lumen - that doesn't sound like a huge difference to me?

[Marcus_TheRock]

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I'm just trying to get an idea of how significant the difference is in the 2D image of the projectors - and the opinion of other people and reviews is the only thing I have base my decision on.

I do understand that.

My main concern is actually if the 5910 is going to be too bright - I'm quite sure it is quite a bit brighter than my old projector (Mitsubishi HC3000 which I found to be quite bright), so I'm worried if it will become too much - also considering that I only got a 92" sized screen.

If you(or I) would calibrate them, to get the lightoutput down for a dark room your HC3000 and TW3200 would be quite similar in light output. (Of course when using the cinema mode on TW3200, where the iris is reducing the ligh as much as possible.)

On the other hand I'm thinking that if the 5910 is considered bright then the 3200 should also be quite bright since the specs are fairly similar? I know spec sheets don't tell everything but it seems the 5910 got 2100 lumen and the 3200 got 2000 lumen - that doesn't sound like a huge difference to me?

The specs is way off the real deal. I have measured them in my shop and on a 1,8m wide 1,0 gain screen TW3200 puts out about 15fL calibrated. TW5910 is giving out about 37fL with the exact same circumstances.

You need to read less, and watch more...

Regards
Marcus, The Rock Hemmabio i Lund

[tgatga]

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I do understand that.

If you(or I) would calibrate them, to get the lightoutput down for a dark room your HC3000 and TW3200 would be quite similar in light output. (Of course when using the cinema mode on TW3200, where the iris is reducing the ligh as much as possible.)

The specs is way off the real deal. I have measured them in my shop and on a 1,8m wide 1,0 gain screen TW3200 puts out about 15fL calibrated. TW5910 is giving out about 37fL with the exact same circumstances.

You need to read less, and watch more...

Regards
Marcus, The Rock Hemmabio i Lund

When you mention that the TW3200 in cinema mode is about similar to HC3000 I assume that's also with the HC3000 in low mode? I always used it in low because I thought it was too bright in normal mode (and I was bothered by rainbows in this case).

The difference you measured between 3200 and 5910 sounds pretty big - would you say the 3200 could work well too with some ambient light, perhaps with a few different settings? If that is the case the 3200 seems to be more flexible than the 5910.

I appreciate your help a lot

[Marcus_TheRock]

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When you mention that the TW3200 in cinema mode is about similar to HC3000 I assume that's also with the HC3000 in low mode?

I have not measured HC3000, this is just my guess based on a lot of demos. But yes, it is based on using it in low mode. Probably a new TW3200 will be a little brighter than a HC3000, but not by much.

I always used it in low because I thought it was too bright in normal mode

Well, in that case you probably will feel that TW5910 will be as a small sun in you room

The difference you measured between 3200 and 5910 sounds pretty big - would you say the 3200 could work well too with some ambient light, perhaps with a few different settings?

Well, absolutely but with some backdraws. In normal, livingroom and dynamic it produces a lot more light, but will also be more off in colors, there will be a little flickering, the blacklevel will be less good and the noise will increes.

If that is the case the 3200 seems to be more flexible than the 5910.

Not really. TW5910 also has the same benifits but it is brighter. If you put it in livingroom or dynamic it will produce up to 100fL(with the same cirumstanses as before). So they are both flexible, but(as I said in my first insertion) they are made for different enviroments(or 3D).

Regards
Marcus, The Rock Hemmabio i Lund

[tgatga]

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Do you have any idea how the black level in HC3000 compares to the TW3200 and 5910? Would be nice to have an idea on how it would relate to a projector that I do know - but perhaps you don't remember

What I meant with more flexible was just that it seems I would probably never need all of the brightness that the 5910 can give, and that the 3200 could produce better blacks and less light when needed (no ambient light in a dark room) while still be able to handle ambient light

[Marcus_TheRock]

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Do you have any idea how the black level in HC3000 compares to the TW3200 and 5910?

Probably about the same as TW3200. Your HC3000 would be superior in blacklevel compared to TW5910, with no doubt. But since TW5910 is so bright many people is satisfyied with the blacklevel anyway.

What I meant with more flexible was just that it seems I would probably never need all of the brightness that the 5910 can give, and that the 3200 could produce better blacks and less light when needed (no ambient light in a dark room) while still be able to handle ambient light

I did understand that´s what you ment. But I needed to point out that it is not more flexible. TW3200 is just more right for your room and screen. But if you will like it more, I don´t know. As I said before, there are a lot of customers prefering TW5910(and TW5900 witch was even brighter) over TW3200 even if it is too bright.

To each his own!

Regards
Marcus, The Rock Hemmabio i Lund

[tgatga]

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I see - Do you think the TW3200 is better than the HC3000 in other areas then?

Another thing is I think my screen gain is actually 0.8 (and it's just 190 wide - thought it was a bit bigger) - couldn't that result in too little light in cinema mode and eco with the TW3200? If you got 15 fL on 180 wide gain 1.0 that would turn into 12 fL - and it seems the recommended brightness is around 16 fL?

The reason why I'm getting a new projector to begin with is that the HC3000 doesn't work anymore and I think it will be too expensive to repair it, and that I'd like to get rid of rainbows by going with an LCD.

Redigerat av tgatga, 16 December 2012 - 21:34.

[Marcus_TheRock]

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I see - Do you think the TW3200 is better than the HC3000 in other areas then?

Yes, it most defenetivly is.

Another thing is I think my screen gain is actually 0.8 (and it's just 190 wide - thought it was a bit bigger) - couldn't that result in too little light in cinema mode and eco with the TW3200?

Yes, it could.

If you got 15 fL on 180 wide gain 1.0 that would turn into 12 fL - and it seems the recommended brightness is around 16 fL?

Correct.

Thats is why you should get an Sony VPL-HW30 instead More exensive, but you dont have to worry about all issues you are worring about, with the cheap Epsons.

Regards
Marcus, The Rock Hemmabio i Lund

[tgatga]

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I ended up ordering the TW3200 I hope I will like it, I don't have the money right now for anything more expensive - I can always upgrade at a later time, many thanks for your help

Redigerat av tgatga, 18 December 2012 - 10:25.