H/K AVR 230 test

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http://www.area-dvd....donavr230.shtml

Översätt med babelfish via altavista t ex!

Tyvärr översatta den inte hela sidan med Babelfish
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Eller så kanske någon vänlig själ här på forumet kan översätta vad som stog på slutet av reviewen, var just den delen man var extra intresserad av också.

Jag är inte fövånad, den är verkligen bra. Jag har haft en 230 hemma ett par veckor nu och det är en förstärkare som låter fint redan utan inspelning och sedan bara låter bättre och bättre. Den som prioriterar musiklyssning och bra stereoljud blir inte besviken på 230. (T o m bättre än gamla 4550 tycker jag)

Tyvärr översatta den inte hela sidan med Babelfish
Finns det några alternativ?
Eller så kanske någon vänlig själ här på forumet kan översätta vad som stog på slutet av reviewen, var just den delen man var extra intresserad av också.

Slutdelen på testet:

Result
One approximately successful "new conception", which ends with a sentence to the point
of the "Charts": The Harman Kardon AVR-230 reached in our test operation exzellente results.
Impressing is its extremely high level firmness, which provides for a reserve entry of
the AV aV-Receivers. Even in 35 the square meter hearing area the HK is not overtaxed.
Succeeded also the drag along-emotional rendition characteristic. The Harman Kardon brings
much life in music and TRACK of sound of film, acted always stimmig and harmoniously.
Mismatching overemphases never can be heard, each Touch of aggressiveness go off the
equipment. To emphasize furthermore is the excellent Logic 7-Integration.
With detail loyalty, volume and perfect being correct representation an above average
good general impression is reached both during processing of film and of music material.
The Stereoklang inspires by precision and the strong representation.
When further pluses leave themselves the practical connection assembly,
which aufwaendige and effective bass management and the altogether simple operation
constitute. Together with successful Design and the very fair purchase price this
results in a practically immaculate test balance, genuine disadvantages is strange
to the AVR-230.
New Klassenprimus: The AVR-230 offers achievements of the extra class for little money


Stefan007 nickar nog igenkännande eller

Redigerat av Viggen, 23 juni 2004 - 08:30.

Stefan007 nickar nog igenkännande eller 

Ja, HK har lagt till en dimension till sitt ljud som dom saknade tidigare i sina mindre receivers. Betydligt högre renhet och mer atmosfär i ljudet.

Upp till 5000:- tycker jag att Yamaha ger absolut bäst ljud för pengarna men i prisläget runt 6000:- är det nog AVR230 som är bäst just nu.

Her er hele omtalen oversatt til engelsk vha. Google (har oversatt en og en bit, og deretter limt dem sammen):

Test: Harman Kardon AVR-230

11.02.2004 (CR)

We thank our co-operation partner Hifi automatic controller for making the hearing areas available

Overview

For a outstanding AV aV-Receiver one must invest already long no more fortune. If one does not belong to the Home Theatre enthusiasts, who attach much importance to a first-class rendition in the last detail, in addition State OF The kind equipment wish, additionally a large hearing area use and in itself this with very strong levels to mind lead more-canal film and music material, then it is no longer necessarily, the account too pluendern, in order to buy itself large hearing fun: Different test equipments, which we submitted to a detailed test, prove this. As examples the Yamaha Rx-v740 or the Denon Avr-1804 is mentioned. Exactly in this league, which addresses one constantly more largely becoming potential clientele, also Harman Kardon would like to become strengthened active in this year - with the Avr-230 for 599, - - EUR.

In order to belong not to the mitlaeufern, but to the Trendmachern, one did a quantity with HK. First of all it became apparent conscious the Harman developers fully that the eye along-buys - the optical impression determines the purchase behavior of many potential interests in a larger measure, than this some sober technician can perhaps introduce itself and likes. Therefore the HK Mannen rigged accordingly and provided the whole new AV Receiver LINE UP with a elegant-progressive Design. Special characteristics: The two-line, dimmbare DOT matrix display, the two-colored equipment front and the volume turnable regulator illuminierte in noblem blue. Thus Harman Kardon provides on the one hand for a high-quality general impression, on the other hand for a certain unmistakableness in the comparison to the partly somewhat uniformly working competition.

But which would be the most beautiful optics, if the worths would not be correct? Straight sound-delicate regular customers of Harman Kardon would be deeply frightened, if a disappointing klangliche performance would follow a beautiful optical appearance. Therefore one developed and perfectly equipped the 6.1-Kanal-Receiver AVR 230 aufwaendig. Among the keys features of the equipment rank among other things a bass management system with 3-Wege-Frequenzweiche, Logic 7/7.1 and Logic 7/5.1-Technologie, Dolby digital 5,1 ex as well as DTS IT Matrix/Discrete 6,1 Decoding, VMAx dressing as well as 24-bit/192 kHz digital/similar transducer. The verstaerkerleistung amounts to 6 x 50 Watts in the Surroundbetrieb (with 8 ohms, 20 cycles per second? 20 kHz, distortion factor < 0,07%, alle Kanäle angesteuert) sowie 2 x 65 Watt in Stereo. Die Hochstromfähigkeit - eine exzellente Hochstromfähigkeit ist ein traditionelles Merkmal von Harman Kardon AV-Receivern - gibt HK mit ± 35 Ampere an. Der AV-Receiver wird mit einer EzSet-Fernbedienung ausgeliefert, die eine einfache Einpegelung des verwendeten Lautsprechersystems sicherstellen soll. Wem ein 6.1 System übrigens mittel- oder langfristig nicht ausreicht, der hat die Möglichkeit, mittels vorhandener Pre-Outs externe Endstufen anzuschließen, um ein komplettes 7.1. Surroundsystem zu betreiben.

Equipment

You have an overview of the most important characteristics of the Avr-230 already - now it becomes more in detail. The processing, which features and the building groups as well as the connection variety now in detail described and evaluated.

Processing

The processing of the Avr-330 is perfect. The equipment front consists of plastic, this bring along however a high-quality seeming. To the gediegenen general impression also the new point matrix display contributes - here Harman Kardon vacates finally on with the "sins of the past", because the equipment displays also to rough dissolution, which can be regarded a little beautifully, belonged to the few weak points of the AV components. From the effort to offer even in more favorable preisklassen a gediegene quality also the cleared up equipment interior life witnesses.

Also convinced, all connections are cleanly fit the back in of the Avr-230. The provided remote maintenance in somewhat tristem grey is from fully satisfying quality - for this preisklasse it is qualitatively absolute correct.

Features and used building groups

In all new HK models high currentable groups of amplifiers with particularly high range and discrete output stages come to the employment - thus also in the Avr-230. Already since generations of devices this equipment and differentiation characteristic represents a substantial cornerstone of the Receivertechnologie of Harman Kardon, which is to make possible for sovereigns and dynamic sound in all level regions and in interaction with a multiplicity of loudspeaker systems. Even with less high performance loudspeakers an error free frequency transmission within the audible range, a smaller distortion, a perfect phase linearity as well as a increased high frequency clearance is guaranteed. From a AV aV-Receiver of high quality one expects also an accordingly responding temperature control. Harman Kardon sets Avr-130 with the Avr-230 on a completely passive cooling, exactly the same as with the a riser model. With the larger and higher performance models a combination is used from passive and active cooling in form of a thought out temperature management. In the hard test employment there was to criticize nothing, the Avr-230 became even with high levels during a longer period not above average hot. Altogether we can note that even in more favorable AV aV-Receivern more and more high-quality output stage units and the suitable periphery are blocked - as example here the perfectly developed Denon Avr-1804 is mentioned.

The achievement of a klangbilds, which represents an optimum in the context of room acoustics and component quality, fails not rarely because of an insufficient bass management. Whether one uses now Subwoofer /Satellitenlautsprechersystem or a loudspeaker ensemble with large condition loudspeakers and without active Subwoofer: The klangbild must be always homogeneous and obliging, straight in the bass range. Therefore Harman Kardon sets also with the smaller models AVR 330, AVR 230 and AVR 130 on a aufwaendiges bass management. A 3-Wege-Frequenzweiche is used, which permits the listener the selection from six different assumption frequencies for the front, middle and the Surround Lautsprechergruppe. For the left and the right front loudspeaker, for the center and the Surroundlautsprecher can be adjusted the assumption frequency separately, as CROSS Over frequencies is available 40 cycle per second, 60 cycles per second, 80 cycles per second, 100 cycles per second, 120 cycles per second and 200 cycles per second. By this aufwaendige adjustment it is problem-free possible to obtain a good acoustic result also at not identical groups of loudspeakers (e.g. large bass-strong front loudspeakers and quite small, little bass-strong Surroundboxen, here one can stop then the assumption frequency individually). The adjustment can be made by means of the on screen display fast. For a further acoustic adjustment the loudspeaker channel levels can be intended for each source of program and each DSP format with all remaining models (e.g. the Subwoofer level for playing films can be stopped in the multi-channel mode differently than for playing CDs with Stereo Musikaufzeichnungen).

The HK with Surround Aufpolierern is in the best way equipped: Beside DTS Neo:6 and Dolby pro Logic 2 is used as the third system the Harman Kardon self-development Logic 7, which is to lend sources of stereophonic sound and matrix-based similar Surround Soundformaten more spatial width and authenticity. Logic7 is compatible with 96 kHz signal sources and offers exactly the same as Neo:6 and PL 2 two hearing modes for the music and the film enterprise. Likewise the receiver has also the VMAx® Virtual theatre audio preparation of Harman Kardon, which are to spread something also with the use of only two loudspeakers or a Stereokopfhoerers Surround Feeling. In hearing practice these modes are not at all badly, particularly when hearing via headphone stop themselves a good space feeling.

For a perfect dissolution and kanaltrennung as well as a stimmigen volume range the receiver are equipped with 24-bit/192 kHz audio D/A converters in HiFi quality and with according to high performance DSP processors. For a AV aV-Receiver of this preisklasse is besides the inserted transformer to see with the lower picture in front left from high quality.

Connections

At connections the Avr-230 bring along a very tidy selection. Among other things are two optical and two coaxial digital entrances on the equipment back, likewise are four similar AV entrances, two AV exits (s-video and FBAS wire) as well as a 5.1-Eingang for external sources. Likewise the Avr-230 orders, what in the meantime also in these price regions it is already usual over two component entrances and a component exit (monitor). A switched and a not switched net socket complete the equipment. For the loudspeakers coloured coded Schraubterminals are to everyone at the disposal - which brings this in relation to the in former times usual colour at advantages, should for itself decide. Many users are pleased to be, if they take the front of the Avr-230 more exactly in inspection - here a AV connection can take the signals of external Zuspielern to in the best way equipped front against. Beside a similar 2-Kanal-Audioeingang and an FBAS video entrance also an s-video-entrance is and both optical and a coaxial digital entrance - outstanding.

Altogether the Avr-230 does not furnish an excellent achievement, with good processing, high-quality and practical equipment and a rich connection assembly gives it a real point of criticism. To the special advantages the aufwaendige bass management belongs.

Evaluation

By means of the clear on screen display is however feasible without to large expenditure the adjustment. The control elements on the equipment front look elegant, are full satisfying the handling, since some buttons fail somewhat small - the same applies itself also to downward the tapering remote maintenance unit. New DOT the matrix display pleased with outstanding contrast values and is perfectly readable thus also under unfavorable lighting conditions. The blue lit up volume control provides for a perfect operation also in the darkened home cinema area.

Evaluation

Clay/tone

Test equipment

*

DVD Player Denon Dvd-a11

*

Loudspeaker systems Infinity Kappa, Infinity beta HCS

*

Verkablung of Oehlbach

Level firmness

In all test runs the Harman Kardon impressed by its sovereignty with high levels. It never worked exerted or a situation not grown, even with 90 per cent of the maximally possible volume was still enormous the efficiency. Here obviously the high expenditure, which the Harman developers operated regarding the output stage units, makes itself fully paid. Particularly impressing the performance of the HK is considering the strong competition in form of the Yamaha Rx-v740 and the Denon Avr-1804. The Yamaha showed only, when one approximated the maximum volume, easy distortions, and high volumes went to the Avr-1804 also in connection with large condition loudspeakers quite easily from the hand - here are thus two devices on the market, which should make the life completely beautifully difficult for the Avr-230 after our experiences. Should - the Harman Kardon teaches the establishment a being afraid. It delivers an achievement, which ensures that even in 35 to 38 the square meter hearing area with high volumes never the feeling of under-sizing the receivers arises with the listener shank. With practically all competitors is scarce with over 30 square meters conclusion - one can expose larger areas to sound still problem-free, really home-cinema-suited volumes should then however for the well-being of the equipment any longer not be driven. The HK steps so vehement on that that points even with 799, - - EUR clearly more expensive Pioneer Vsx-d912 audibly into the barriers. Even very fastidious pieces like the "Chronos" Trailer on the 7. DTS demo DVD did not force the Avr-230 into the knees, even if almost in maximum volume one heard. Result: With the Avr-230 Harman sets a new yardstick regarding the level firmness. The pleasing trend that also lower-priced AV aV-Receiver become ever level-firmer, flows here into a new high point.

Film clay/tone

For its purchase price the Harman Kardon achieves exzellente results. Characteristic of its representation is above all the very well co-ordinated high clay/tone range, which provides for plentifully hearing fun with all film examples. In addition, on the other side of the frequency spectrum large satisfaction makes itself broad at the auditory: The bass sounds always fullly, clearly and with outstanding structure. Altogether the Avr-230 creates one that even outstanding competitors like the Denon Avr-1804 or the Yamaha Rx-v740 in this quality can realize not completely: It lets the listener part of the happening become. If it was otherwise with AV aV-Receivern of this preisklasse like that that one could hear acoustically still well that one is listener here and stands in certain way outside of the happening, then the Harman integrates the auditory in exemplary way. Naturally one cannot expect of devices of these financial regions in such a way perfect visual acoustic world like it for example the 5,000, - - EUR AV amplifiers Pioneer VSA-AX10i-S makes available, but the result is real impressing, as can be reconstructed on the basis the sieved DTS demo DVD very well: With the sequence from "Behind Enemy LINES" it gets along excellently with the glaring dynamic jumps and offers a comprehensive low bass rendition with amazingly aufwaendiger structure. With all explosions the outstanding dynamics and also the responding detailed work of the Avr-230 become clear. Even the noise smaller on the soil of falling pieces of broken glass and fragments is convincingly shown. Here white the listener directly, whether it concerns around splintering glass or pieces of metal, the Harman works the specific characteristics out of the respective effect very well suitably. Also devices of the straight competition of Denon and Yamaha, very strong in this segment, can do this excellently, but one notices that the Harman is the newest equipment, which we tested: He goes along still more dynamically to works, it tears the public still more, acted summa summarum more emotional. Even in the direct comparison Denon Avr-1804 and Yamaha Rx-740 are still exzellente devices, the Harman however can in the points dynamics and emotional representation however a small projection/lead create itself. This leaves themselves also with the cutout from "E.T.", likewise on the sieved DTS demo DVD, hear, where the AV aV-Receiver clarifies acoustically that that succeeded to rem branch ring that clay-purely of the no longer straight young tool film the DTS technicians very well. The Avr-230 with much love for the detail and with excellent-natural, plastic spatial effect transfers the Music Score.

Quietschende tire, roaring engines, reads cries, penetrating shots: The wild pursuit in "The nearly and The Furious" does not coldly only leave, quite not if the Avr-230 at the work is. It realizes a very authentic Flair, creates it also here the AV aV-Receiver that the listener feels as a pursuer in one the black Mitsubishi Carisma EVO and makes hunt for the Truck driver shooting wildly around itself. The shots from its shotgun crack with reproduction crosswise by the hearing area, the shouting of the participants show the AV aV-Receiver with considerable sovereignty - never the result too schrill and too exaggerated, even with high levels leaves the Avr-230 leaving walten.

After the conception convincing so far we assumed that the Avr-230 also with "star Wars episode 1 - The phantom Menace" of any problems to have might not - and we lay correctly: With atmospherically more closely rendition the Harman Kardon creates an impressive scenario, which is characterised above all by the fact that large effects the necessary reproduction and small effects the necessary care of integration assign becomes. Also with these test DVD makes clear the Harman that one must spend nowadays no more fortune, in order to acquire a AV aV-Receiver with a perfect performance. The opening scene from that 2. Part the "mummy" is likewise excellently suitable, in order to be able to make the qualities of the Avr-230: Here it lends by the clearly structured, clean and alive representation much depth and authenticity to the nerve-racking battle. The battle shouting, the one on the other the fighter, all this represents the Harman Kardon hits not only with large strength, but also with large care. It is really considerable - AV aV-Receiver of price favourable prices mausern ever more to universalists, which do not have a problem to know what to the "good clay/tone" belongs itself.

For Extended Surround lover, who would like to enjoy films in the larger area, one should only consider whether one should seize to the Avr-330 for 799, - - EUR. This is more expensively, had however seven instead of six output stages, this makes possible it for the user, two instead of one bakes Surround loudspeakers to use. The structure of two loudspeakers brings in the comparison to the solution with only one bakes Surround to loudspeakers different advantages with itself. So the detection of the effects is simpler as from the rear coming from the center for human internal "signal processing" to realize due to psychoakustischer phenomena. Further advantage: The klanglichen changes, which with only one bake Surround loudspeakers by an easily changed seating position or by movements of the listener discords when feeling the spatialness that from the rear coming noises cause can, by a further loudspeaker well one compensates. Who listens to films in smaller areas, in addition rather alone and not than compromiseless Home Theatre fan from time to time in ex and IT, also with a 6.1-Lautsprechersystem - particularly the Harman Kardon Avr-230 really protruding achievements furnishes, so that one can live our opinion after with the performance very well - the compromiseless Home will be content Theatre expert is also not the anvisierte target group for equipment of the impact of a Avr-230. For extremely high requirements Harman Kardon has also still different calibers in the extensive Product LINE UP. Who in the price league of the Avr-230 remain absolute, but although seven loudspeakers to attach would like to be able to realize in order an increased bakes Surround performance can sound oneself in the comparison to the 230er the Denon Avr-1804. This has, just as as the Harman Kardon, likewise six output stages, which bake Surround output stage leaves itself however for the enterprise with two bake Surround loudspeakers to isolate.

Multi-channel music rendition

Harman Kardon AV kardon-AV-Receiver are characterised already since generations by a high musi potashty - there also the fire-new Avr-230 does not make an exception. It inspires by its uncommonly clear, sensitive and fresh total conception. With its output stages strong beginning the Harman is problem-free able to master also suddenly arising dynamic jumps sovereign. Not that this would not know the strong competition - it is simply the way, with which the HK plays trumps so largely. It seems to have even with very high levels still reserves, it always keeps the acoustic overview, and exactly for this reason the impression of largest satisfaction makes itself broad. Even the "Chronos" Trailer on the 7. DTS demo DVD to show by the glaring dynamic jumps and the subtle high clay/tone and bass range extremely with difficulty completely places the comparatively economical Harman Kardon before no problems. It provides here for "Feeling", for fascination - and that is new in these price regions. We test many devices, and we do not have problems to state that one can receive devices even for fewer moneys in the meantime excellent. One must always see the furnished achievements regarding the preisklasse - from this then the result results. But straight, even if one works with 5.000, - - EUR eUR-Boliden, are - finally always emotion is also in the play also with a tester - the tests of devices of the "more civil" price regions ever more "obligation program" than pure pleasure. And straight therefore we can express the Avr-230 a so clear recommendation for the music-inspired multi-channel lover, who would like to invest nevertheless no fortune,: This equipment provides for fascination. It does not show simply all material only well, it lets the music revive. It provides for freshness, for dynamics, to feel for the feeling, the spirit, the Charisma of the music feels to be able, in short: The Avr-230 creates an intensive aura of high hearing benefit. Exactly this is it, which emphasizes it from the mass. Even for the DVD audio enterprise is prepared the Harman. Its high speedable, start-strong output stages are actually much too unfortunate for DVD audio or SACD Player of the a riser class - such devices, which usually between scarcely 200, - - and scarcely 300, - - EUR cost, supply a much to small performance for a so good AV aV-Receiver. With the current DTS Music Sampler (and with presented itself the Harman Kardon as a universal talent - we had also the suitable Zuspieler ready: An acoustically exzellenter Denon Dvd-a11 supplied the similar multi-channel entrance of the Avr-230 with hochklassigen signals.

Dolby pro Logic 2/Logic 7/DTS Neo:6

With Dolby pro Logic 2, DTS Neo:6 and Logic 7 (when connecting an external output stage for bake Surround range also in 7.1 the enterprise functionally) bring along the Avr-230 equal three Surroundaufpolierer, which have all a music and a film mode. Our detailed test rows promoted a surprising result to day. It did not surprise us that Logic 7 furnished the altogether best performance, both in the film and in the music employment. Large advantage is here above all the very natural, spatial akkurate total acoustics. The detail representation is audibly more exact than with both competition systems. In the film enterprise the very good being correct representation supplements the general impression. Now we come to the surprise of our test rows - during the HK integration Neo:6 gets away acoustically audibly better than Dolby pro Logic 2. With PL 2 disturbed us the altogether fade and little emotion-filled representation. Voices sound tired, the effects troepfeln there - so no right film passport would like to arise in the Movie mode. Different the hearing experience is with Neo:6: With more dynamics and Spritzigkeit the auditory gets audibly more aliveness and also authenticity mediated. In addition, to the natural space feeling and the akkurate detail training of Logic 7 Neo:6 does not approach. In the music enterprise likewise only the red lantern remains for PL 2. The bass packs quite decided too, that too little concise high clay/tone range and the something washes working overall display prevents however a better total result. Neo:6 is here better with clearer and spritzigeren acoustics those choice. "roofridge Class" is again Logic 7 - with a outstanding structured bass range, a balanced front /Surround balance and a founded total rendition characteristic this system all requirements shows up grown. Logic 7 is so successfully integrated that eingefleischte Stereohoerer become "weak" could.

Stereoklang

Which concerns the Stereoqualitaeten, the Yamaha Rx-v740 completely particularly astonished us - he offered a balanced, clear and fresh sound in the test. Also the Denon Avr-1804 could not hand it the water. The Avr-230 does not have it likewise easily to by-tighten at the Yamaha - with high levels however he succeeds. The Harman sounds with large volumes more freely, stronger, it is always master of the situation and accomplishes a more accurate virtual structure of stage, which affects the listener more and lets it more into the music dive. It can create so an atmosphere amazing for this preisklasse. With its interpretation, which contains also a successful detail training, the HK sits down to the class point, the Yamaha follows with scarce distance.

Evaluation level firmness

Evaluation sound film

Evaluation sound multi-channel music

Evaluation sound Surround Aufpolierer

Evaluation sound stereo

Result

One approximately successful "new conception", which ends with a sentence to the point of the "Charts": The Harman Kardon Avr-230 reached in our test operation exzellente results. Impressing is its extremely high level firmness, which provides for a reserve entry of the AV aV-Receivers. Even in 35 the square meter hearing area the HK is not overtaxed. Succeeded also the drag along-emotional rendition characteristic. The Harman Kardon brings much life in music and TRACK of sound of film, acted always stimmig and harmoniously. Mismatching overemphases never can be heard, each Touch of aggressiveness go off the equipment. To emphasize furthermore is the excellent Logic 7-Integration. With detail loyalty, volume and perfect being correct representation an above average good general impression is reached both during processing of film and of music material. The Stereoklang inspires by precision and the strong representation. When further pluses leave themselves the practical connection assembly, which aufwaendige and effective bass management and the altogether simple operation constitute. Together with successful Design and the very fair purchase price this results in a practically immaculate test balance, genuine disadvantages is strange to the Avr-230.

New Klassenprimus: The Avr-230 offers achievements of the extra class for little money

Total total:

Middle class

Test 11.02. 2004

Cost-performance ratio:

Per:

*

Best level firmness of its class

*

Amazingly dragging along multi-channel rendition

*

Exzellente Logic 7-Integration

*

More cleanly, very well structured Stereoklang

*

Extensive bass management functions

*

Successful control concept

*

Practical connection assembly

*

Outstanding cost-performance ratio

*

Good processing

Versus:

*

No serious lack ascertainable

The technical data

*

Unv. price recommendation: 599, - EUR

*

Execution: Silver/black 2-farbig

*

Clay/tone formats:

Dolby digitally ex, Dolby digital 5.1

Dts it Discrete 6,1, Dts it matrix 6,1, DTS 5,1, DTS NEO:6

Dolby pro Logic 2, Logic 7, VMax

*

Feature:

High current-able six-channel output stage

Completely passive cooling

Extensive bass management functions

EZSet remote maintenance with standard microphone to the Lautsprechereinpegelung

OnScreen display (OSD)

*

Connections back:

Two optical and two coaxial digital entrances

Two YUV entrances and an YUV exit (HDTV able)

Four similar AV entrances

Two similar AV exits

Two similar audio entrances

A similar audio exit

5,1 entrance

Complete 7,1 channel Pre Out

*

Front AV with: S-video and FBAS wiring,

2-Kanal-Analog-Ausgang,

optical and koxialer Digitalausgabg

A switched net socket

A not switched net socket

*

Data:

Power output (FTC) Surround 45 Watts per channel, stereo 60 Watts per channel (with > 0.07 % rattle/clink, 20 cycles per second to 20 kHz, at 8 ohms)

Dimensions (B x H x T): 440 x 165 x 382 mm

Weight: 12.4 kg

Test: Carsten Rampacher

Assistant: Of Matthias's Walther judge

11. Februar 2004

Yamaha fick dock bättre betyg av tyskarna. ( Som viggen hade skrivit om det hade varit h/k)

http://www.area-dvd....harxv1400.shtml


Jag kunde inte hålla mig

Yamaha fick dock bättre betyg av tyskarna. ( Som viggen hade skrivit om det hade varit h/k)

http://www.area-dvd....harxv1400.shtml

Jag kunde inte hålla mig

Nja, nå får vi hålla oss till fakta, Yamaha 1400 kostar nästan 50% mer än avr 230 och ska jämföras med en avr 430 typ, totalbetyget var detsamma så du verkar läsa i blindo!

Beställde en AVR-230 från fyndbörsen...borde komma imorrn eller måndag. väntar med spänning...återkommer med lyssningsintryck

Beställde en AVR-230 från fyndbörsen...borde komma imorrn eller måndag. väntar med spänning...återkommer med lyssningsintryck 

Välkommen i klubben
https://www.minhembi...showtopic=54197

Nej. Det betyget du koller på är prisvärdheten. Där fick dom samma. I övrigt så fick yamahan bättre på det mesta.
Sedan så får recivrarna betyget i förhållande till priset. Annars hade ju inte betygen varit värd något...

Nej. Det betyget du koller på är prisvärdheten. Där fick dom samma. I övrigt så fick yamahan bättre på det mesta.
Sedan så får recivrarna betyget i förhållande till priset. Annars hade ju inte betygen varit värd något...

Samma prisklass som avr 230:
http://www.area-dvd....aharxv740.shtml

Samma prisklass som Yamaha 1400:
http://www.area-dvd....onavr5550.shtml

Testerna ger snarlika resultat vad gäller prisklass, vad som själv faller en i smaken är subjektivt men Yamaha saknar drivet och energin i ljudbilden som h/k har!


Finns många tester att läsa där på Area DVD för övrigt :
http://www.area-dvd.de/hardware/

Redigerat av Viggen, 03 juli 2004 - 22:47.

Jag hade en Yamaha RXV-2400 (i stort sett samma som 1400) men har nu en HK AVR-230. Yamahan hade en väldigt "fin" ljudkvalitet som hifi-mässigt var minst en nivå över 230. Det kröp t ex fram lite mer fina detaljer i ljudbilden. (Det vore väl konstigt annars med tanke på prisskillnaden...)

Men jag saknade däremot "auktoritet" i ljudet med Yamahan i min anläggning och det gjorde att en del musik kändes oengagerande. (Yamahan passade kanske inte helt ihop med mina högtalare och mitt rum?)

AVR-230 dök upp i min anläggning som ett "tillfälligt" lån efter jag hade sålt min RXV24000. Mina tidigare erfarenheter av HK's receivrar var ganska dåliga så mina förväntningar var låga. Men AVR-230 är en mycket bra receiver för sitt pris och den överraskar ständigt. HK har verkligen lyckats, man har gjort ljudet renare och mer detaljerat jämfört med tidigare AVR-modeller (=lite mer hifi) utan att offra HK's fasta bas och engagerande spelstil. AVR-230 blir nog ingen "permanent" lösning för min del, jag vill ha en separat för/slutstegslösning på sikt, men det är roligt att en AV-receiver för 5000:- kan låta så pass bra som AVR-230. Jag lyssnar gärna på all sorts musik med den.

Jag hade en Yamaha RXV-2400 (i stort sett samma som 1400) men har nu en HK AVR-230. Yamahan hade en väldigt "fin" ljudkvalitet som hifi-mässigt var minst en nivå över 230. Det kröp t ex fram lite mer fina detaljer i ljudbilden. (Det vore väl konstigt annars med tanke på prisskillnaden...)

Men jag saknade däremot "auktoritet" i ljudet med Yamahan i min anläggning och det gjorde att en del musik kändes oengagerande. (Yamahan passade kanske inte helt ihop med mina högtalare och mitt rum?)

AVR-230 dök upp i min anläggning som ett "tillfälligt" lån efter jag hade sålt min RXV24000. Mina tidigare erfarenheter av HK's receivrar var ganska dåliga så mina förväntningar var låga. Men AVR-230 är en mycket bra receiver för sitt pris och den överraskar ständigt. HK har verkligen lyckats, man har gjort ljudet renare och mer detaljerat jämfört med tidigare AVR-modeller (=lite mer hifi) utan att offra HK's fasta bas och engagerande spelstil. AVR-230 blir nog ingen "permanent" lösning för min del, jag vill ha en separat för/slutstegslösning på sikt, men det är roligt att en AV-receiver för 5000:- kan låta så pass bra som AVR-230. Jag lyssnar gärna på all sorts musik med den.

Jag blev oxå smått överaskad av vad min avr 330 presterar.
Har tidigare kört med 2 kanals förstärkare och cd i 30000 kronors
klassen.
Blev sugen att kliva in i hemmabio träsket så min 2 kanalare såldes.
Köpte min avr 330 hos hemmabiobutiken för 5900 som jag tycker är
ett bra pris.
Hade som sagt inte så stora förväntningar på ljudkvaliten , då speciellt
i 2 kanal.
Ack vad jag bedrog mig
Har faktiskt hänt en del med H/K ljudet till det bättre kan jag säga.
Har haft en H/K avr 4000 tidigare och det var ingen höjdare i 2 kanal.

Mvh Mucke

Redigerat av Unregisteredaaa4c984, 03 juli 2004 - 08:55.

Är riktigt nöjd med min 230 =) Trodde inte att det kunde låta så bra i den prisklassen...finns ju knappast nån anledning att köpa dyrare när man lyssnat på 230

Jag har faktist inget att jämföra emot, så jovisst, jag tycker den funkar störtbra
både till musik och bio.

Dock så är ju inte mina Yamaha NS-120 några värstinghögtalare precis

Förresten, jag har en fråga till er med 230.
Ska man verkligen behöva trycka på "AVR"knappen varje gång
efter att man har bytt ljudkälla, bara för att kunna ändra volym etc. ??

Redigerat av YocaL, 04 juli 2004 - 19:12.

Ska man verkligen behöva trycka på "AVR"knappen varje gång
efter att man har bytt ljudkälla, bara för att kunna ändra volym etc. ??

Nej, det behöver man inte! I bruksanvisningen (sidan 38) står det hur man programmerar fjärren att styra AVR-volymen även när andra källor är valda.